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Same goes for tankies.

You cant logic someone out of a position they didnt logic themselves into.

They believe in this horseshit because they want to, not because they think it makes any sense. They believe in it because they are scared, stupid and confused.

I don't try to defend them, fuck them, but after having so many arguments with tankies on lemmy I simply came to a conclusion that if I crticise ruzzia or China and someone comes to defense to them with well known propaganda "arguments" I just call them a bitchass tankie and block them

An old friend of mine eventually revealed himself to be a transphobe. He also revealed that he thought that you could get AIDS from toilet seats. Toted himself as an "enlightened spiritualist and intellectual".

The reality is that transphobes are literally too stupid to reason with.

They are not interested in facts and logic, they are interested in wearing you down until you give up and/or feel worse about yourself. They are not arguing in good faith, and they are not worth your time or mental effort.

The more people feel attacked for their view the less they will let go of it. This is why 1on1 in multiple calm conversations you have the best odds of convincing these people. Also don't argue with logic appeal to their emotional side. People will understand better if you bring themselves into the position. Don't expect one conversation to change their mind it can only kickstart change.

I don't think it's possible to have a significant impact on transphobia on the internet purely via debate and text. I do think it's very possible to have a substantial impact in real life just be being a visible trans person out in public life interacting with people.

A lot of people have never once in their life had a conversation with a trans person. It's a lot harder to weaponize someone's existence when they become a fixture in your life. It also gives you an opportunity to occasionally share some of your struggle with people and educate them in a more direct way, but I think the former is often more valuable.

No amount of logic and reasoning can convince someone to develop a sense of empathy.

Never argue with stupid people. They drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.

My favorite quote; for the people that take it as a complement.

You can't fix stupid. You're likely dealing with a religious nut. There is no hope for logic when the person believes in magic and invisible bullshit.

"I think you're wrong and I'm right; therefore you're wrong and I'm right"

"Facts? Nah I don't like those"

Persuasion is difficult. For most people, facts and logic just don't matter. It is a matter of feeling.

If anyone is interested, I'd suggest looking into street epistemology on YouTube. They offer excellent examples of how to use the Socratic method to help people question their own beliefs, but also not feel like you are attacking or judging them for their beliefs.

I'll link one: https://youtu.be/A-M1EyhcRS8?si=td3mrstOSap60uJX

Transphobes when they are suggested that humans should be treated as humans:

"But muh chromosomes!"

Yeah because when I'm checkin' some fine thang out at the club, the first thing I wanna ask them is "mmmmm, c'mere and let me see them genetic markers..."

Ain't nothing sexier than an electron microscope in your pocket!

Debate people with your wit. Debate fascists with your fist.

Defeat people with your head. Defeat fascists with your lead.

First time on the internet?

Screw arguing just fuck them

had that experience a couple weeks ago. Didn’t think they would literally just ignore me, but ok.

good luck to whoever needs to deal with these people!

Reminds me of an argument I had with a transphobic person about Last of Us 2's trans character Lev. I tried to tell him even I used to be ignorant of trans people feelings. So I have said hurtful things in the past. Until I realised what harm my words could cause. Didn't help to make him change his mind though!