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I fucking hate these shitheads, I was arguing with one earlier and no matter how many facts I gave him with proper sources he just refused to actually show any kind of respect

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[–] kafei@mtgzone.com 48 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The more people feel attacked for their view the less they will let go of it. This is why 1on1 in multiple calm conversations you have the best odds of convincing these people. Also don't argue with logic appeal to their emotional side. People will understand better if you bring themselves into the position. Don't expect one conversation to change their mind it can only kickstart change.

[–] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Some people, regardless of how far their views are, can have those views changed.

Some people, regardless of how close their views are, cannot have those views changed.

"Changing their minds" is always an incomplete solution to prejudice. It should be attempted, but cannot "solve" the issue culturally.

[–] FleetingTit@feddit.de 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Education could solve this issue, but the so-called "culture war" makes it increasingly difficult.

[–] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Long term, yes, I won't deny it.

Excuse me if this is kinda morbid, but there are people who will never change their minds, and educating the next generation that replaces them to be better after they die is slow.

What is really needed, as soon as possible, is robust legal protections and rights, any way those can be acquired.

[–] LavaPlanet@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

That's so true. You gotta throw in some questions to make them dig deeper. People can't resist a good question. They need to know! Frame up a good one and you have sold them. Just one good question and then walk away and leave the silence to echo with that question.

[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

don't argue with logic appeal to their emotional side.

I love the irony of this 😈 just don't ever let them know you're trying to convince them with their feelings instead of facts!

[–] kafei@mtgzone.com 6 points 11 months ago

The thing is this whole transgender or all bigotry discussions are emotional to begin with. Even the rational sounding arguments are just emotional appeals. What you do is you make emotional appeals that also sound logical.