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Weird. I keep hearing the deranged nuts saying it's murder. Are they OK with 2 years for murder? Why are they so easy on criminals?
Our do they subconsciously know it's not actually murder?
These religious nuts forget it's condoned in the Bible too.
There's a part of the Bible that talks about swelling the belly that can be considered vague enough to ignore. Although I think it's pretty obvious what it's talking about.
But the Bible is 100% crystal clear about fetuses being property and absolutely not a living human. In fact, I think it's a bit extreme in that it says if you cause a miscarriage you just have to pay a fine.
Depends on the version. Some versions of Numbers 5:11-31 mention the bitter drink causing a miscarriage if the wife is unfaithful.
Its still a normal murder sentence, they're just planning on aborting it before term.
It's only a tiny bit of murder, so a tiny murder sentence
This was before they changed the law to disallow abortions after 12 weeks. This also is not exactly a case abortion advocates want to fully stand behind. She was like 28 weeks along and the mother ordered the pills saying they were for herself. She coached the daughter on how to take them and the daughter was happy to take them saying shit like she could not wait to wear jeans again. They then burned the stillborn and buried it in a friend's yard. Most of the case is about improper disposal of a body.
I'm very pro-choice but the daughter should have been the one consulting a doctor to get the pills and they should have worked with the city/county to properly dispose of it.
This also is not exactly a case abortion advocates want to fully stand behind.
Fuck that. Women have bodily autonomy. Period. No "but", they just do. None of your things to consider matter at all except that a law which criminalizes women's bodily autonomy at 20 weeks forced them to take medical risks they shouldn't have had to take.
You won't ever get a majority of the population to agree to this view. If you hold staunchly that all the way up until 40 weeks women should be allowed to abort, you will lose at least 75% of the vote. At some point the fetus is developed enough we have to consider its life, regardless of its current location.
I think we could push viability as a compromise for everyone. That's around 21-24 weeks, depending on what is considered acceptable potential life chance. Conservatives will say that's too developed, some progressives will claim your view, but I think most would at least compromise that if we could safely take the baby out, that should be the legal option at that point. That also gives the mother a lot of time to consider her options.
Many fatal fetal anomalies aren't detected until the scan done between 18-23 weeks. So that doesn't "give the mother a lot of time." Especially in states that add legal hoops for her to jump through, and where the nearest place to perform an abortion is several hundred miles away in another state. Usually in those cases she's forced to put the dying fetus through much more trauma, as well as the risk to her own health and life. You can tell yourself they'll make exceptions in those cases but the reality is they won't act until she's crashing from sepsis, because they fear (with good reason) being reported and arrested and losing their license.
Seems like a good trade off. 2 years in prison < 18 years in prison. Anyway, fuck Nebraska.
Let's not forget that this is because Meta gave away Facebook messages that they thought were private. Do not use Facebook messenger! Or SMS!!
Jeez, that should be the headline.
"Facebook exposes messages that land a mom in prison for giving her daughter abortion pills."
Never trust Facebook, get a real E2E messenger app like signal
E2E is not enough. You can still be subpoenaed for Signal messages if they aren't auto-deleted. Just ask all the folks involved in the trump indictments.
"Facebook exposes messages that land a mom in prison for giving her daughter health care treatment."
Pregnancy is a medical condition with possibly lethal health risks and abortion is a treatment for those that don't accept those risks.
Abortion is health care.
They own WhatsApp too
Does anyone have an article that describes point by point why Facebook is harmful? I'm having trouble getting my friends to switch to signal.
This is where the real injustice comes in.
Very interesting, though I wonder how much that would've actually changed ... anything?
I don't know if it would have change anything, but it did violate a legal right for a spurious reason and that is an injustice regardless of her sentence.
WTF USA? SMH
This headline is a bit misleading. She didn’t just help her daughter have an abortion, she helped her have a late-term abortion, and then burnt the remains.
“According to prosecutors, after the pair bought pills to end the pregnancy, Celeste Burgess gave birth to a stillborn fetus. At the time, Nebraska law banned abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Celeste Burgess’s pregnancy was well past that point, according to court records.
Police say that the Burgesses buried the fetal remains. An examination of the remains suggested they may have also been burned, according to court documents.”
What a horrifying hellscape Nebraska must be for a mother and daughter to feel the need to go to such lengths for healthcare.
This is what happens when states destroy access to reproductive healthcare. Desperate people do stupid things.
I really wish people would stop using the phrase "late term abortion". It's not a medical term. It's a political one designed demonize those who almost solely terminate for medical reasons.
She should cross the border into Colorado, Polis would shelter her