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What’s something that you feel like you should like,, but for some reason can’t get into, no matter how many chances you give it?

For me, it’s The Three Body Problem. It should be right up my alley from everything I’ve heard about it (especially the second book, which looks at the Fermi Paradox and the Great Filter!), but for the life of me, I can’t get past the first chapter at all. I even tried reading it in another language to see if it was the translation that kept me from getting into it, and nope.

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[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Star Wars.

It’s got everything I enjoy: big ass spaceships brawling it out and a long history of lore. But for some reason, I’ve never been able get into it. I should be a huge fan, but I’m just not, I cannot bring myself to care less about it.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Same. It did nothing for me until I watched The Force Awakens. I actually really got into that and started to think this was what people who liked SW felt.

Then I watched the Last Jedi and the feeling was gone.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

…it is so wild to me that I’m getting downvoted for saying I liked something. This is another reason I ran screaming from Star Wars fandom. Y’all are wild.

[–] ShranTheWaterPoloFan@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Star wars fans hate TFA for reasons that elude me.

I'm with you, TFA was cool. I wanted to know more about the knights of Ren. Kylo was interesting, here is a villain who is struggling with using the dark side, but is trying to commit to it. That's something we don't see ever. Finn was a neat character, and another new perspective.

I think the Rey hatred is actually misogyny. People don't lose their minds that Luke is best fighter pilot in the rebellion, but Rey uses the force in the "wrong" way and she's an unredeemable Mary Sue. I'm not one to cry discrimination, but the amount of venom targeted at the character implies something deeper.

I too gave up after TLJ, it seemed designed to make me stop caring about star wars.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They set up so much in TFA that was just dropped in TLJ, like how they set Finn up to be someone who could use the Force. He quickly got relegated to side character, and there was just so much potential with him that they just abandoned.

And I completely agree that a lot of the Rey hate was misogyny, like how so much of the Rose hate was misogyny and racism. It was honestly just depressing to see happening.

I will give TLJ credit; that scene where the general rammed her ship into the enemy was breathtaking. The hairs on my arms stood up at it, and to this day, it’s still the image that sticks with me from the movie.

[–] ShranTheWaterPoloFan@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One of my biggest complaints about TLJ was how poor the plot was. It's surprising because Rian Johnson has some of the best thought out plots in his other movies.

The slow speed chase didn't make sense, the ~~empire~~ first order could see they were heading to a planet. Finn and Rose had time to leave, go to another planet and come back without issue, why weren't they scattering parts of the fleet and people the whole time?

Worst, the entirety of the movie didn't move the plot forward. At the end of TFA Rey is a nascent Jedi searching for a place to fit in, Kylo is struggling with his path trying, Finn is trying to fit in and Poe is a hotshot pilot. At the end of TLJ no character advanced, they are all in the same spot.

I would have preferred if they did some really weird stuff, like Rey becomes Kylo's student to save everyone else. Will she redeem him or be corrupted? Will she be a double agent? What exactly are the goals of the first order? Can they be subverted into something good?

After TLJ I didn't care what was going to happen to anyone, and still don't.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

The pacing was also a nightmare. Everything at the casino took up far, far too much screen time and just dragged.

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[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

(Ignore this comment; sometimes you have to add one when posting from kbin to make the post properly federate.)

[–] Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago

I read it.

I'll do it again. You can't stop me.

[–] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Not reading it

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 7 points 1 year ago
[–] realitista@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Foundation stopped me from finishing for 20 years until I could get it on audiobook, and even then it was a slog. All the politics in that book are simply not what I'm after when it comes to sci-fi, even if I can acknowledge that it's a fantastic piece of work.

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[–] undeffeined@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rick & Morty.

Watched the first season but I just can't get past how awful Rick is. All the constant burping and how much of an asshole he his really puts me off the whole thing.

[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Ayup. Can't stand that show, and its (vocal) fan base makes it worse. Far worse.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Dune. And outside the realm of SF... wheel of time and game of thrones.

Mostly it's just the pacing and the epic nature. Bugs the crap out of me.

Levianthan Wakes was a slog. mostly because of all the preachiness about how starships were supposed to work.

[–] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Star Trek - I'm 40 and never gave it a proper chance and now I don't even know where to start now

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Omg. Star Trek and binging it when I was like six or seven when I visited my uncle as a kid. He had the then-entire collection on VHS and I found them and started watching.

Then, he found me watching trouble with tribbles and was like “ooh this is my favorite episode! Rewind it, I’ll go make popcorn.”

Yes. We binged the rest of everything else. Everyone else was either doing adult stuff (BORING.) or at my brothers soccer tournament (even more boring) all weekend.

Yes, this started my sci fi addiction. He also kicked off the fantasy addiction with the admittedly pulpy Belgariad.

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[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m biased, so I say start with Next Gen. That’s what got me into it. I later went back and watched TOS. The other good starting point is Deep Space Nine.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sisko is the best captain. He wasn’t even a captain to start. But he’s the best.

Q: [provokes sisko]
S: [knocks Q out]
Q: “you hit me! Picard would never have hit me!”
S: “I’m. not. Picard.”

I let me officers commit acts of terrorism once in a while, as a treat!

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[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

I'm a very casual Star Trek enjoyer, and reckon the 2009 film wouldn't be the worst place to start.

[–] Bebo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I started watching star trek in my late thirties. Tried TOS, couldn't tolerate more than one episode. Then started TNG and fell in love half way through first season. Now I am on Voyager. According to me, it's a good replacement for me for TNG. Not sure what I will watch once I finish this.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

My vote is DS9! It connects a lot with TNG, even having some characters move over to it after TNG ended.

[–] IonAddis@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Strange New Worlds is probably the best start. I like Discovery a lot, esp. since it kicked off this new age of Star Trek, but it is a different format than you'd usually expect from Trek, thus the outcry. Strange New Worlds takes the classic Trek formula (which is not a bad formula--there's a reason it has legs) and updates it with modern values/stories/special effects/etc.

Older Trek is massively nostalgic for many, but it's also massively uneven in quality as they were churning out seasons on a shoestring budget and it often shows. Also, they didn't always correctly predict how tech would go (esp. computer tech) so you can have things that are plot holes given what we know of technology today. If you want to start with older Trek, I think the Star Trek Next Generation movie First Contact might stand well enough on its own, esp. if you cherry-pick the Borg-related episodes (there's only a few) from the TV series and watch them first.

[–] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I never got into Battlestar Galactica when it was airing, I don't remember why. Perhaps young me thought it was a Star Wars knock-off or something?

Anyway, after reading some discussions on Lemmy, I started watching it yesterday (began with the miniseries) and it's very promising!

I never got into StarGate either. I liked the movie, but was annoyed that in the show Kurt Russel was recast by MacGyver. StarGate is now the next on my watchlist.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

There are multiple Stargate shows, each with its own target market. So if you don’t like SG-1, give Atlantis and SGU a try. Atlantis is fun fluff, and SGU is darker sci fi. None of them rely on you watching any of the others — they are fairly self contained stories.

[–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 4 points 1 year ago

I can promise you that you definitely won't regret watching Stargate! Definitely one of those series that I wish I could experience for the first time again.

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[–] totallymojo@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 year ago

Im sorry but Star Wars. Some stuff is freaking cool, like the whole smuggler side, but it's something about mixing magic and scifi that rubs me the wrong way. Also, lightsabers are so.. toylike.

[–] AcornCarnage@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I read Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson earlier this year. It took me around 5 months because I was determined to finish it but HATED reading it. There's some good world building and ideas going on, but it was just a slog. I'm normally a kind of slow reader, but it doesn't take me half a year to finish a book.

And so the direct answer to the question would be: Neal Stephenson. Just doesn't seem to be for me.

[–] Mechanismatic@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

It took me two attempts to get through Stephenson's Cryptonomicon even though it was thematically up my alley. He includes so many tangents and explanations that it can be tedious at times, however interesting some of them might be. I'd almost prefer footnotes to the longer tangents so I could just get into them optionally if I choose.

I enjoyed Snow Crash, but I think he's better at world building than following a plot to a satisfying ending. It seems a common criticism that some of his books end a bit abruptly without enough investment in the conclusion, especially in contrast to the significant detail he puts in to the world building.

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[–] Transcendant@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

The beginning of 3BP is very, very dry and slow. There's a lot of exposition, and a massive amount of footnotes (which I personally found very helpful as like many westerners, I have extremely limited knowledge of Chinese history).

I highly recommend persevering and soldiering on, there's a reason why it's very highly rated. One of my favourite series and totally made me do a 180 on my opinion of SETI.

[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

The Expanse did it for me. I couldn't read the books. I couldn't watch the show past two episodes.

The oft-praised Honor Harrington books also fall into this camp. It seems I'm completely allergic to David Weber's writing, because I can't read any of his other series either.

Anything billed as "Young Adult". I just find them off-putting in their formulaic structures and find the way they talk down to their readers a bit insulting. I read a lot of adult books as a child (pre-teen, not even "young adult"), though, so perhaps I'm not the target market.

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Neal Stephenson. I hate hate hate his writing. I think if he wrote essays I might find them readable, but his fiction is atrociously bad. (It doesn't help that he spouts gibberish on topics he knows little to nothing about—e.g. Chinese culture—with dogmatic authority.)


P.S. I can understand completely why you didn't like The Three Body Problem. It is, especially at the beginning, very Chinese and incorporates outlooks and ideas that are utterly alien to the western mindset.

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The Expanse is a little slow for the first couple of episodes, it picks up after that.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can understand completely why you didn’t like The Three Body Problem. It is, especially at the beginning, very Chinese and incorporates outlooks and ideas that are utterly alien to the western mindset.

Oddly enough, that’s not what got me. I studied Chinese (I’ve sadly forgotten so much I wouldn’t even try to read it in Chinese), have been to China, and love a lot of Chinese movies, web novels and dramas. Plus, I’ve lived in Asia for nearly half my life at this point (yeah, countries all have their own unique cultures, but there’s a lot of influence and overlap). It was something about the writing style that I couldn’t get into, which was why I tried reading it in Japanese, to see if it was just the translation I wasn’t vibing with. lol but trying to read it in Japanese threw me for an entire different reason, because my brain switched to the Chinese reading the Chinese names and then it was just a linguistic nightmare inside my head as my brain struggled to pick a single language to read in. I’ve had to give up watching Chinese movies if the subtitles are in Japanese because my brain can not handle both languages at once.

[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

OK, so more like me and Neal Stephenson.

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[–] tiny_parking@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wheel of time…maybe fantasy but still.

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[–] BrerChicken@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I've read a few different people sound off on Neal Stephenson in this thread, complaining specifically about how he goes on and on. I friggin LOVE reading him, and it's because of how he plays with language. His sentences are so wild, and so fun for me to read. They're not driving the plot--they're just cool thoughts written in interesting ways that reliably catch me off guard. Maybe it's because English isn't my first language, but for whatever reason I just love reading the ridiculous ways he has of saying sometimes very mundane things.

[–] lorax@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

As far as TV shows: The Expanse and Foundation. I really want to like them but the first 3-4 episodes left me quite meh. Someone tell me it’s a slow start and gets better?

I tend to put more priority to story line vs special effects or action scenes.

[–] Will_WMGC@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

For The Expanse, the first few episodes are definitely not the most inviting (although they get better once you've seen the whole show once already). Very much worth pushing through with it though

[–] MashedPotato@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I didn't like the first few episodes of The Expanse either, I thought they were so focused on the world building that they didn't flesh out the characters well enough for me to care. But they figure out a better balance about halfway through season 1 and by the end of the season I was all in. I consider it one of my favorite Sci Fi tv series now.

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

As I said elsewhere in this thread, the first couple of episodes of the Expanse are kinda slow. It picks up if you stick with it :)

I'm still mad they ended it early :(

[–] runner_g@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hopefully I won't get crucified for this take, but Dune. I love the Barsoom series, I love Tremors, but Dune did nothing for me. I tried reading it near the end of spring semester in high school, which is arguably a bad time as I was dealing with track semi-final/finals as well as school finals, and after a month of reading less than a page a day, I gave it back to the friend who loaned it to me. That was 12 years ago, though so maybe I should give it another shot.

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I tried it on audiobook and couldn't finish it. It didn't help that it was one of the ones with 500 different readers for different characters (and very distinctive voices like Scott Brick were different characters in the second book or part or whatever than the first), but while the world was kind of interesting, I really couldn't be grabbed by the story at all.

And I finish almost everything. Especially on audiobook.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I actually got stuck on the second book in the Three Body series. I found the first a page turner. Though it is an unconventional book and I can easily see why some would not be into it.

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