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Pope Francis condemned the "very strong, organised, reactionary attitude" in the US church and said Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Pope Francis has blasted the “backwardness” of some conservatives in the US Catholic Church, saying they have replaced faith with ideology and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Francis’ comments were an acknowledgment of the divisions in the US Catholic Church, which has been split between progressives and conservatives who long found support in the doctrinaire papacies of St John Paul II and Benedict XVI, particularly on issues of abortion and same-sex marriage.

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[–] ZombieZookeeper@lemmy.world 218 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Now the pos conservatives are gonna start calling the pope woke. 🤣🤣🤣

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 126 points 1 year ago (8 children)

They're already doing that, have been for a long time. I have a Baptist coworker who thinks Catholicism isn't real Christianity...

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

I had a Catholic coworker who said some of her Catholic relatives were becoming “Christians”, which turned out to mean Evangelicals.

[–] dartos@reddthat.com 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think all religions are just fake copycats of the one true god.

Praise be Flying Spaghetti Monster

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[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Baptist coworker who thinks Catholicism isn't real Christianity...

I've seen a lot of that and not just recently.

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[–] NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu 13 points 1 year ago

I mean, most protestant Christians dislike Catholicism, that's why they are called protestants after all.

The new part is American evangelicals and other extremists thinking that catholicism not being conservative enough...

[–] Sicktatties@discuss.online 12 points 1 year ago

To be fair, it isnt; but then neither is Evangelicism or Mormonism or any of these other wackadoo cults within which these assholes conflate their hatred and fear with faith.

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Conservative Protestants have been saying that for a very long time though. The attitude is so pervasive that my wife, who grew up Catholic (but has not been one for decades), has to be reminded that Catholics are Christians.

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[–] ButtholeSpiders@startrek.website 181 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

my god that is the best meme ever

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[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 71 points 1 year ago (8 children)

These christians will drop their Pope before they drop their politics

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They already have. Only Roman Catholics really care what the Pope has to say. There are far more Baptist, Methodist, Evangelical, Pentecostal, and Presbyterian in the US than Catholics.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The Pope is the head of the Roman Catholic church, it's always been the case that only Catholics really care about what he says.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

For reasons I can't explain, many of those denominations don't even recognize the catholic church as being Christian.

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[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That ship has already sailed - I was just with my conservative uncle this last weekend when he complained that the current pope is "woke"

To these people, their political ideology is their religion

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[–] match@pawb.social 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The pope? They'll drop Jesus Himself if it suits them

[–] NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu 11 points 1 year ago

They already have. Been reports of congregations who have complained the the words of Jesus are too woke and weak...

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemm.ee 55 points 1 year ago (26 children)

Religion is the biggest scourge against humans. Controlling behavior, brainwashing the young and stolen untold trillions of $$. Fuck religion. They all need to be labeled as cults and treated as harshly.

[–] ApexHunter@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Religion, at its core, is basically rules that state "don't be a dick." Unfortunately, all of the dicks didn't get the message.

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not "don't be a dick'.

It's "do as we want you to do"

Plenty of the rules are "be a dick, like this:"

Plenty of the rules are "don't do this objectively harmless thing"

Plenty of the rulez are "do this ridiculously pointless thing"

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[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ish.

Many religions are more "don't be a dick to your fellow brothers in faith, but feel free to be a dick to others". In-group out-group dynamics were historically quite important.

You know - "don't murder", but at the same time

10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves.

Also

(19) “You are not to lend at interest to your brother, no matter whether the loan is of money, food or anything else that can earn interest. 21 (20) To an outsider you may lend at interest, but to your brother you are not to lend at interest, so that Adonai your God will prosper you in everything you set out to do in the land you are entering in order to take possession of it.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would settle for taxing them.

[–] Railing5132@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think a better option would be stripping the tax exempt status from the ones that politik from the pulpit. Actually enforce the law we have now instead of being afraid of looking like we're persecuting them. Hell, they all have that complex already anyway.

Taxing them all would just open the floodgates.

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[–] Archer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"

We're doing pretty good on the king front, lets work on the priests a bit

[–] vettnerk@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Cult" is just something the big congregation calls the small congregation.

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

first Jesus, now the pope is woke? At what point do I start considering that maybe I'm actually the asshole here?

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 40 points 1 year ago (12 children)

The pope ain't perfect. But goddamn do I love him stripping corrupt officials of their position, being much more chill towards my queer brothers and sisters worldwide, and telling the US arm to remove the giant sticks from their ass over abortion and divorce.

I hope he lives till 130 and keeps being a stabilizing force for good. It's a rarity to see religious officials who are not only reasonable, but actively trying to make the world a slightly better place.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

You're just buying into and regurgitating his PR. The Pope talks and acts in opposition to his bullshit platitudes. It's business as usual gainer the lgbt community in every Catholic Church across most of the world, including the Vatican. He himself is a known homophobe long before he was pope. He continues to ignore and refuses to meet with the victims of protest sexual abuse. He is a bullshiter and I can't believe anyone on the left buys into any of it

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[–] WorldWideLem@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the fruits of the GOP strategy that's been going on for decades to strengthen their support through Christian believers. The Pope is just recognizing the impact of that from the religious side, whereas Barry Goldwater warned of it's impact from the political side.

Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.

It certainly is a terrible damn problem, and we're knee deep in the shit right now.

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[–] ineedaunion@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure it was a Roman Catholic priest that burned all the Mayan texts. The Roman Catholic Church is the largest destroyer and oppressor that ever existed.

[–] fer0n@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Being called "backwards" by the head of the catholic church is quite something

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Broken clock right twice a day, etc.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

American conservatives really hate that this pope prioritizes Jesus-y stuff like love, forgiveness, and taking care of your fellow humans.

I have a bunch of Catholic family members that are much more into being angry, fighting to shove dogma down everyone’s throat, and not helping anyone that doesn’t sit in the pew next to them.

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pope is 100% correct on this one. But on terrorist state ruzzia, he misses the mark by a mile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirI4eSTNag

[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pope Francis has blasted the “backwardness” of some conservatives

Media needs to find another word for speaking up in opposition to something.

[–] macrocephalic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (9 children)

and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Isn't god supposed to be unchanging according to their book?

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 32 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Atheist here. But I'll put a Christian hat on for a sec.

Humans are fallable. God isn't. Human interpretation of God's will is fallible. Therefore the church must adapt as humans become better at diving God's will.

Hat off.

I don't think that's a contradiction. Now I'm going to stand in my garage for an hour and sing, hoping it'll make me a good car.

[–] Redditiscancer789@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (16 children)

I never understood this argument. If God is all powerful how come he leaves his messages to interpretation. Shouldn't we all just be born knowing the exact wording and understanding?

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[–] LetterboxPancake@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I mean he's right, but maybe he wants to add his institution to that list as well.

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[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It's organized crime and mob taking over America. And they are already in...

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Didn’t this guy pay a personal visit to the christofascist who refused to grant a gay marriage license September 2015? Guy wore a similar hat anyway.

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