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Pope Francis condemned the "very strong, organised, reactionary attitude" in the US church and said Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Pope Francis has blasted the “backwardness” of some conservatives in the US Catholic Church, saying they have replaced faith with ideology and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Francis’ comments were an acknowledgment of the divisions in the US Catholic Church, which has been split between progressives and conservatives who long found support in the doctrinaire papacies of St John Paul II and Benedict XVI, particularly on issues of abortion and same-sex marriage.

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[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 71 points 1 year ago (6 children)

These christians will drop their Pope before they drop their politics

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They already have. Only Roman Catholics really care what the Pope has to say. There are far more Baptist, Methodist, Evangelical, Pentecostal, and Presbyterian in the US than Catholics.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Pope is the head of the Roman Catholic church, it's always been the case that only Catholics really care about what he says.

[–] gowan@reddthat.com -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

*Roman Catholics as multiple churches claim catholicity that are not associated with The Vatican. For example the Anglican Church claims catholicity.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The Anglican Church is Protestant. Pretty sure they don't like being called Catholic, they had a whole thing about that.

[–] ProfessorZhu@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Just a minor tiff really, just some spilled tea and crumbled crumpets really

[–] gowan@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

Catholicity is unrelated to Protestantism. Catholicity means the church claims an unbroken line from the apostle Peter meaning they are the "real" church

No, Catholic just means universal. This most Christian denominations claim to the the Catholic, aka, Universal Church. In other words, they mean to say they are the correct denomination.

[–] _Sc00ter@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago
[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For reasons I can't explain, many of those denominations don't even recognize the catholic church as being Christian.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's always boggled my mind.

I had many childhood baptist friends who claimed with disgust that the Catholic Church isn't Christian.

I just can't see the reason (there isn't any) other than needing a conservative out group.

[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I just can’t see the reason (there isn’t any) other than needing a conservative out group.

The reason is simple, actually. The Protestant revolution was ostensibly started with Martin Luther advertising that the pope was the antichrist.

Protestantism was basically the practice of declaring Catholicism to be a false Church. Then it evolved and they got more cordial. After 300 years of bloodshed

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure the reverse is true.

There are some differences in the details of each denominations beliefs enough to mark some Christians as not real Christians. If only God could just make an announcement over the PA to clear things up...

Related: How many denominations only allow their own denomination to take Communion?

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That ship has already sailed - I was just with my conservative uncle this last weekend when he complained that the current pope is "woke"

To these people, their political ideology is their religion

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Absolutely agree. I am certain ifwe're real and appeared in person and spouted half the stuff attributed to him in the gospel they would call him "woke" too.

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Absolutely no doubt. Kind of surprised no one has done a video series where you anonomize Jesus's teachings, then read them back to conservative Christians and ask what they think about them

The results would be hilarious, no doubt

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Probably because they don't want Tucker Carlson siccing a mob on them

[–] match@pawb.social 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The pope? They'll drop Jesus Himself if it suits them

[–] NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu 11 points 1 year ago

They already have. Been reports of congregations who have complained the the words of Jesus are too woke and weak...

[–] _Sc00ter@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Honestly, I consider that a win. A huge reason I left the catholic faith wasn't because of the religion itself, but because of the people who claimed to follow Jesus but in practice did nothing like Jesus.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They dropped the Jesus Christ of the New Testament half a century ago, and even then they pretended he was somehow as white as mayonnaise, so why not drop his earthly mouthpiece?

[–] brihuang95@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

does anyone know off the top of their head how/when Christianity became so tightly associated with the Republican party? No way it was always so extreme in US history

[–] regular_human@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

My favourite bumper sticker ever said: The moral majority is neither