You gotta do, what you gotta do!
Thanks as always for the hard work and transparency.
this post was submitted on 28 Aug 2023
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No place is safe from this, unfortunately. I moderated 2 big brazilian subreddits, and then decided to volunteer to help a smaller one. I had a day (and to be honest, an entire week) absolutely ruined when somebody did indeed set a bot to post large amounts of CSAM to the subreddit. Luckily I was online to quickly purge it all, and Reddit's admins did remove the accounts pretty much instantly, but I feel for every Lemmy admin that even caught a glimpse of this material and now have to purge their computers and honestly, their minds, from that. Sorry to hear it happened.
Hope it restricts the attack surface, why do people have to be such knobs
Not wanting to be too conspiratorial, but it isn't necessarily people simply doing this out of the badness of their hearts. The fediverse is a disruptive platform and there are many parties with deep pockets that might happily funnel a little bit of cash to certain consultancies in certain countries to stop things and add friction to this platform before it really takes off. Nothing like a little bit of corporate sabotage!
That sounds exactly like the badness in peopleβs hearts though.
This is a very silly conspiracy theory. Big corps don't give a shit about Lemmy, but there are plenty of script kiddies who want to hack easy targets. Contrary to your belief, there are plenty of dumb idiots with plenty of badness in their hearts.
Big corps are more sociopathic than you realise. There are so many underhanded games going on at that level it will make your head spin.
Big businesses indirectly and sometimes directly fund APT groups. They will buy things that give them anonymous access to competitor trade secrets, or fund attack campaigns against competitors. This sounds like the kind of attack campaign a competitor might launch as part of a one-two combo. This is the first part, the second part is to get editorials out there regarding how lemmy.world is full of CSAM.
Nah. The risk greatly outweighs the reward. Even if this hits the news, I doubt it'd affect numbers on here that much, especially since it's not that big. It's not even big enough to cause issues for "competitors" (and I use the term lightly). The fediverse is simply not really ready to compete with established actors. So the "benefit" is quite small. The risk if they're caught includes executives getting jail time and likely irreversible harm to their brand.
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The alt right instance has been fucking with world since they were defederated...
This is something right up their alley, so the simplest solution is they're doing it.
Come on people, Lemmy's user base is what, a few hundred thousand? A million tops? Which "parties with deep pockets" is this disrupting? The Lemmy userbase is a rounding error on the number of users of other popular social medias.
"Don't want to be too conspiratorial, but let me continue to drop a ridiculous conspiracy with no evidence"
And big corp wants to smother it before itβs bigger. It perfectly makes sense. Itβs so much more difficult to kill a service/movement when itβs already widely adopted and popular. Identifying small, new players in the field and disrupting those takes very few resources for them, a rounding error, if you will.
The fediverse has the potential to be a threat to some big corps out there, and Lemmy is just one speck in a sea of a lot of specks. Together those specks are growing the fediverse, and the only way to disrupt it is to get rid of those specks.
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Good hope the child porn posting stops with that.
I'm so glad I somehow have completely avoided that so far. I've heard about, sure but that's it
Not long after joining Lemmy, I was on the less fortunate side of things and ran into a troll post. I haven't seen any of that horrid stuff on Lemmy since then, I assume the admins and mods have been dealing with it first hand... βΉοΈ hope they are OK, it isn't good for anyone mentally.
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Oh Christ, really? That's just sickening. I often sort by new, sounds like I've been very lucky to miss it entirely...
Looks like even this place couldn't keep it up. Unfortunate. Thanks admins for the transparency though.
Good call. Thank you for doing what you need to do to support the site and protect the users as necessary. And as always, the honesty and transparency is appreciated.
I think it's the right call honestly. We've grown so quick that it must be hard to manage by now.
Hope it helps with the recent abuse.
If you could give me the numbers of new accounts monthly I would look into CloudFlare. If I can afford it I will even pay for it.
https://github.com/bumble-tech/private-detector
Do you guys think this could help? I remembered reading bumble open sourced their image detection system.
Thanks for all the work you do! It isnβt unappreciated.
I guess I'm out of the loop, perhaps because I mostly browse communities I subscribed to, but...
What happened? Lots of spammy bots signing up and spamming the site? I guess I didn't notice where I was looking
Also, what does application based sign up mean?
Anyhow, Lemmy.World and Lemmy (in general) are growing nicely, so what's needed to defend them is cool.
Edit: fixed grammar
Troll / spam accounts posted CSAM in !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world. That spread with federation and every admin ended up involuntarily hosting such content.
Application based sign up means that if a user wants to subscribe they have to fill out a form and a .world admin gets to review it and approve or reject their sign up. It's a measure of controlling who gets in and limiting the amount of bots and possibly troll that join an instance.
To make it clear, the form is virtually the same as before with one additional question. It just asks you to state you read the note that is the same as the note in the post above. The application is virtually identical beyond that. But, the biggest difference, is like you said, an admin needs to approve it.
I don't blame you for taking that decision. But it's sad that this will deter legitimate users away, some of whom would've signed up otherwise.
Is image posting temporarily turned off for lemmy.world users too?
Since last night, I've been unable to post (tested in memes@lemmy.world, memes@lemmy.ml, and lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world). Switched to an alt account on a different instance and had no issue.
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Glad to hear. Obviously this is less than ideal, but working towards solutions is what's important.
Will this make it easier to reopen federation with instances that were concerned about abuse of our open sign up policy? (or was the issue with beehaw resolved while I wasn't looking?)
If it's temporary, likely not. The concern from most of the instances is that open subs mean literally anyone and anything can join, including bots which create account after account, just moving on when the original is banned. "We are closing open signups for now" is non committal, I'm betting the only way things get refederated is if World commits to this change for the long term.
As long as users from allied instances can still post it is all good.
Does this mean Beehaw will refederate?
Considering this is a temporary measure, I imagine not. Lemmy.world has been under constant attacks as the #1 Lemmy instance and it's not going to stop just because bots can't get in automatically anymore.
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