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Me personally, I find the EZLN fascinating. (if there is anything bad about them, let me know because I do not know much bad things about them)

They are one of the few movements that anarchists praise that I actually think are based, although the Zapatistas have told westerners to stop calling them anarchists, communists, or anything else.

They also fight against drug cartels and seem to have created one of the most stable territories in the Chiapas region.

However, they are too small to do anything big like overthrowing the Mexican government. They would be crushed quickly.

Give me your thoughts on the EZLN and/or, as the title suggests, any non-ML movements that you support.

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[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Did someone legitimately downvote the abolishment movement??? lenin facepalm deng stare

Dang didn’t know Lemmygrad was pro-slavery /s

[–] Rasm635u@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago

New Florida education policy about slavery already making waves

[–] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably one of those wandering libs.

Or mistook it for the anti-alcohol one. I know I did, until I read your comment

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

If I remember right prohibition was actually pretty based. Alcohol was a tool of oppression whether in sedating factory proletarians or getting indigenous people drunk to make it easier to steal their land. Manhattan for example means “the place where we all became intoxicated.” Source I vaguely remember:

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, but prohibition was absolute garbage since everyone was STILL drunk, just now the alcohol supply was owned by the Mob.

Per one journalist’s study, it took a maximum of 10 minutes for a “tourist” “out of towner” in any city in the US to find alcohol. The record was a 30 seconds when the cab driver of one city immediately pulled out beer from a compartment in the cab when asked where to get alcohol.

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, alcohol wasn’t eliminated, but it was progress. Back before prohibition people drank alcohol like water, and the fact that most don’t anymore is good (not that there aren’t widespread substance abuse problems of other types). I suggest you listen to the Gastropod episode.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I have before, but the reduction in alcohol drinking primarily came from the restriction, rationing, and lack of ingredients during WW1 and WW2 as opposed to Prohibition. It had a worse inverse effect, all it did was force drinking underground and made it a taboo topic to discuss.

Prohibition increased alcohol stockpiling which allowed most people to “ride out” the initial wave, and by the time many stockpiles ran dry, the mob and local moonshiners has established a strong enough network to maintain supply.

Funnily enough, one bar stockpiled so much alcohol prior to prohibition, that they were able to legally sell and advertise their alcohol for the entire prohibition since it was legal to sell Pre-Prohibiton alcohol.

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maybe we could be very very generous and assume someone downvoted it for the slight typo

it was probably some chud though

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, there were some problematic abolitionists. Some only wanted slavery gone because they were scared if there were too many slaves they would rise up and threaten the whole settler project.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

True, but those are usually left in the dustbin of the movement.

When you think of abolishonist, you think of Fredrick Douglass, John Brown, William Garrison, and Harriet Tubman, etc.

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I mean, abolition wouldn’t have happened without a full blown revolution if not for some bourgeois interest in it, and these people certainly had a decent amount of influence to be able to do things like colonize Liberia, but no that is not who we remember fondly or even at all often.

[–] fire86743@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 year ago

Also forgot the one that virtually all of us support: the Palestine liberation movement. Much more people have heard of it and thus support it.

Complete, uncritical support to the people of Palestine against the Zionist regime.

[–] ledlecreeper27@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago

Gaddafi and Irish republicanism.

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have strong but critical support for the Scientist Rebellion, which is campaigning through civil disobedience for serious action against climate change and treating it like the existential threat it is. They're definitely getting attention and traction, and it's pissing off the Western powers beautifully.

Also, Libre software and hardware and the abolishment of copyright and patents in general.

[–] Imnecomrade@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Same here with libre software and hardware and other technological freedom struggles. Becoming politically conscious in the technology sector was the spark (especially when Trump repealed net neutrality) that led me to Marxism-Leninism today.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Hezbollah and other Palestinian liberation groups

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[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just came back from a holiday there: Basque independence movement. The Basque have their own language, culture, socio-economic vision so I see no reason why I shouldn't support them wanting to become independent from Spain and France.

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just curious, what are your thoughts on Catalonia independence?

[–] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not who you are replying to, but here's a fun fact: years ago I did some research on the International Brigades that required pulling out documents from the SOVDOC.

One of these was the record of a political discussion in 1936-37 between members of a communist unit that included Catalonian independentists, about the question of self-determination for Spain's various nationalities. The meeting ended with a recommendation of Stalin's Marxism and the National Question as a read for the unit's members and the decision that the text's conclusions was the way of thought to follow.

To this day, I still recommend that one text to anyone who wishes to know how to proceed ideologically in regards to any movement for national independence, including Catalonia's.

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[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The American Indian movement

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[–] cass@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Gotta be all Palestinian liberation movements for me

[–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

I'm not well-informed enough on any particular organization to say I "strongly support" them, but I'm for any anti-colonial struggle

[–] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

However, they are too small to do anything big like overthrowing the Mexican government. They would be crushed quickly.

I do not think the EZLN has the wish to do so anyway. Staying relatively under the radar is the main reason why they have survived until now like they have.

[–] ButtigiegMineralMap@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It needs to be said that 1916 Ireland and the Starry Plough represented what Lenin called “The First Red Army in Europe”

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[–] Nimux@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lukashenko's administration is pretty good imo, even though it's not a party or organization.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

From a Belarussian person, Lukashenko's administration has been a disaster for the people of Belarus.

His only saving grace is preventing Belarus from becoming a US vassal state like Ukraine or Poland. Other then that I'm very certain that a chimpanzee could run Belarus better then Lukashenko.

He's basically a if you tried to copy Kim Ill Sung and horrifically failed and copied the inverse of all of Kim’s traits. Lukashenko is extremely reactionary, capitalist, and just a terrible leader.

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[–] Hyperlich@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

I hope I don't come off as stupid and naive, but I support the antiwork/workreform movements on Reddit. Yes, most of them are American redditor neoliberal reactionaries, however as a whole I think they have some small material effect on destabilizing the system. America is like a collapsing building with a few crumbly pillars holding the whole thing up and antiwork/workreform types are at least wacking at those pillars and I feel like a ton of them are voicing M and ML ideals without knowing it. I think a ton of them could eventually be brought to the left with some guidance.

[–] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Lula's worker's party in Brazil, they've done incredible work helping the most impoverished people of the country, and are the most progressive in South America in my book.

[–] cass@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

As a Brazilian organized communist,

Just no. Especially his latest moves. In fact last night he just pushed a provisional measure (a law that can take effect now, go to congress later) to legalize cassinos and other gambling establishments. Effective immediately too

He's not done any actual reforms, just means tested welfare programs. In fact he privatized a bunch of stuff in his first tenure. He also signed the drug laws that shot incarceration rates sky high (in fact a comrade was arrested for possesing weed and not released for over a year despite not being sentenced).

His job is making things seem "not all that bad" and keeping the forces of reaction well fed.

I'm not mad at you for not knowing, but as a Brazilian Communist I am extremely angry at the fact they misled you

Edit: I can go on and on and if y'all actually want me to. Don't "support" this enemy of our class in front of me again.

And yes, he's better than the "electorally viable" alternatives, but we have second rounds for election so we vote communist!

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

His job is making things seem “not all that bad” and keeping the forces of reaction well fed.

I suppose he's like the Biden to Bolsanaro's Trump, in that now that the obviously shit guy is out of office, a bunch of people who were mobilized go back to brunch while nothing fundamentally changes?

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[–] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

is he at least actually an anti imperialist? that's been my impression anyways

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[–] Dessa@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Let this comment be your excuse to go on and on about this

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[–] destructor_rph@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

The IRA for one.

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