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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 103 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I don't like the term "free healthcare", because most of us would be paying for it in taxes, it would be more accurate to call it "socialized healthcare".

Saying "I want free healthcare" allows the media to twist your words and make you look like some "entitled brat" that "want everything for free".

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Keep it simple and call it “healthcare”. No need to qualify it with anything.

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The ones who still think Obamacare and ACA are different things definitely need a catchy label and marketing if they're gonna vote for it.

Or just lie to them, their own leaders have learned it doesn't matter what you tell them. Call it the "everyone gets a puppy" Bill or whatever. Then tell them they got a free puppy. They won't know they didn't.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

This is exactly what we need to do. Its literally the only way to combat a populace that simply does not want to be educated. Just fuckin lie, then post your actual platform online. People who actually care will read it, everyone else will think that the dems are campaigning on eliminating the sun to cool the earth during the summer, and during the winter well just tow a new sun to orbit.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They won't know they didn't.

We have concepts for a puppy.

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Counter-point: calling it universal/single-payer distinguishes it from what we have now. Which I would argue isn't actually healthcare, at least by modern standards in other countries...

[–] MrVilliam@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

Yeah, we don't have healthcare. We have profit-motivated health insurance. We pay in case we get injured or sick, and they only profit if they find a legitimate way to not cover us when we get injured or sick, so they try their damnedest to do that.

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But that sounds like socialism! We can't have that!

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

That would be like having some kind of socially based security!

[–] withabeard@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Single payer healthcare is fine.

The single payer is the government

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[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Freedom Care! Patriot Care!

Name it whatever. How do we get it?

[–] Sc00ter@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thats the problem. The media and too much of the usa wouldnt accept "socialized healthcare" becuase that sounds like socialism and enough people arent educated enough to know what that really means

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Medicare For All

Universal Healthcare

Single-Payer System

Whatever, someone needs better PR

Medicare for all is so easy too.

Like literally just adding "for all" to the existing system.

And nixing health insurance companies. It's a win win!

[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Or ya know, simply Public Healthcare. Because it's for public. End of topic.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

Universal healthcare

[–] credo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Insurance is already a socialized program- just a private one. Creating public health care simply removes the profit incentive.

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[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 88 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Charity is the bandaid covering a societal failure

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A bandaid that lets wealthy people get an ego boost and a tax write off

[–] Impound4017@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago

Let’s not forget that they create charitable ‘foundations’ which then work with lawmakers to create legislation, thus giving themselves greater influence over the relevant laws as well.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

I once tried to explain this to someone Christian, they just called me selfish.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There's no virtue signalling in paying taxes

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

But there could be

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be clear, it isn't free healthcare. In Canada we pay our taxes and the government administers the health insurance system. In Ontario where I live it's the Ontario Health Insurance Plan. It covers most doctors visits and most treatments. I have Hodgins Lymphoma and am nearing the end of my treatment. Dozens of doctors visits, CT scans, x-rays, an echo cardiogram, a respiratory study, two PET scans, and all the drugs and the only thing I've paid for out of pocket is parking, and the hospital where I'm being treated just put in free parking for cancer patients and gave me a parking pass. Our government negotiates the price of drugs at the national level and regulates drug prices. Companies aren't allowed to raise the price of a drug that is on the market unless there is a corresponding improvement in benefit to the patient. They can't add a coloured band to a capsule, rename the drug (Losec to Prilosec, for example) and double or triple the price. Generic drugs are the same. That's why epipens are $100 here and not $600 like in the US. There has been no substantion improvement in their benefit to patients so the price can't go up.

Universal healthcare isn't perfect but 22 of 23 highly developed countries in the world have it and the US profits before people system is grotesque.

[–] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't think many Americans in favor of universal healthcare think it's going to cost nothing. Of course, taxes will increase. But we already pay for private healthcare. Most of us via a payroll deduction.

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think their issue is everyone getting it. In American culture and Christianity, love must be conditional.

Only correct behaviour would mean you get rewarded/supported.

Their issue isn’t giving it away for free, their issue is not being able to classify certain members of society as a underclass that don’t deserve anything unless they conform to their values.

So it’s about power and control. Universal health care means you have no power over these individuals and what values they live by.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (6 children)

In countries with government provided healthcare for all, we still do dance marathons to pay for bits of it. Ugh maybe it's just the UK.

[–] GiveOver@feddit.uk 4 points 1 week ago

I just clap on my doorstep like a true philanthropist

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[–] verstra@programming.dev 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't call it "free", it sounds like you are so out of touch with reality that you don't know that healthcare has costs.

The word is "universal". In my country, I paying for healthcare, but not as much as wealthly people here do. That's the main argument for it: the rich subsidize healtcare for the poor.

[–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In my country I pay for health INSURANCE through income tax. I get healthcare for free. I call it free because I don't pay to go to the doctor or the hospital. ** So why is this distinction important to me? Because this means I don't have to worry about paying for healthcare. I don't save any money by not going to the doctor. I don't loose access to health care if I loose my job. As long as I am a citizen here, money and healthcare are two unrelated concerns.

I know that money is going from my salary and in some way to the hospitals etc, there's no way around that. But this way I don't have to worry about it. Not when paying my bills, not when needing health care.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Exactly if it comes out of tax technically it isn't free but at the same time you also don't really notice it.

Saying that you pay for health care through taxes it's a bit like saying that you pay to walk down the street through taxes, technically of course you do pay to walk down the street through taxes, but it is such a bizarre thing to say.

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[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

She just wants to dance

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

They don't want the possibility of helping everyone, there could be someone they don't like in there!

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 1 week ago

You didn't even put an Instagram filter on it. Are you even trying?

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