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UnitedHealth uses AI model with 90% error rate to deny care, lawsuit alleges

https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/11/ai-with-90-error-rate-forces-elderly-out-of-rehab-nursing-homes-suit-claims/

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[–] Pogogunner@sopuli.xyz 354 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

CEOs have not been held accountable for their actions by the legal system. This is inevitable with the way the United States is set up

[–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 184 points 3 weeks ago (20 children)

If this happens to two or three more CEOs over the next couple of months, they'll change their position on gun control, not change their behaviors that made somebody do this. And "they're coming for our guns" morons would find a way to not only excuse it, but fully support it, at least at first.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 121 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

If this happens to multiple CEOs, companies will just implement secret-service style security for the C-suite. Wouldn't even be a rounding error in CEO compensation.

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 58 points 3 weeks ago

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”

Hopefully this makes all those money grubbing assholes consider how many of the millions of people they've fucked over have access to firearms and their location.

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[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 257 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Thompson, who was named CEO in April 2021, was pronounced dead at Mount Sinai West.

Good thing he had health insurance for his stay at Mount Sinai; some aren't so lucky thanks to worthless puddles of filth like this.

Edit: Zero sympathy. Negative sympathy, even.

[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 123 points 3 weeks ago

Link above to ARS Technica article titled: UnitedHealth uses AI model with 90% error rate to deny care, lawsuit alleges.

[–] WagnasT@lemmy.world 241 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Are they sure it wasn't a pre-existing condition?

[–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 65 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, it’s crazy how terminal affluenza can be these days

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 207 points 3 weeks ago

UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot outside NYC hotel in 'premeditated, preplanned targeted attack'

premeditated

preplanned

Ah, so a preexisting condition. So sorry, law enforcement can't do anything about it.

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 184 points 3 weeks ago (47 children)

It should go without saying that such violence is not good and not supportable.

That said, I also think those who make monopolistic fortunes off the sick while also dictating refusal of care to the sick are categorically not civilians. It is what it is.

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 120 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Maybe he had a preexisting condition?

[–] Im_old@lemmy.world 79 points 3 weeks ago

Like being a greedy sociopathic bastard?

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[–] SuperCub@sh.itjust.works 178 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Insurance companies regularly commit acts of violence on the poor and sick for the benefit of their bottom line. People literally die because of the decisions this CEO made, so when the shoe is on the other foot, don't come crying because we know you're not an innocent actor, insurance company.

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[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 171 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Let’s be honest here. This is probably the only way a ceo would ever be punished for crimes against the poor in America. Unfortunately this will probably lead to the increased militarisation of ceo security teams (and the police) rather than a recognition of why someone would want to dome a ceo in the first place.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 62 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Remember, Elizabeth Holmes didn't get in trouble for providing incorrect medical tests to the plebs. She got in trouble for stealing from other rich people.

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[–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 156 points 3 weeks ago

It's nice that whomever did this didn't take their grudge out on a bunch of powerless workers. So often you see someone with a grudge against... whatever end up shooting a bunch of minimum wage employees who had no hand in their misfortune.

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 155 points 3 weeks ago

I feel sorry for the people who suffered and died due to the awful health insurance industry.

[–] whyalone@lemm.ee 144 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

JD Vance said about school shootings being a ‘fact of life’ Maybe ceo shootings should be equally the same?

[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 69 points 3 weeks ago

Not a fan of this BIG TEXT markup read my comment formatting. Let people read the thread organically and upvote comments they think are worthy of attention.

This is Reddit sports sub tier BS I don’t want to see on Lemmy.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 112 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

I am honestly surprised people fucked over by health insurance haven't tried to take things into their own hands before, if that's what this is. And if that's not what this is, it surprises me that it hasn't happened yet.

Plenty of people (me included) have been severely fucked over by insurance companies. I'm not willing to kill anyone, but there are a lot of people out there who are. Especially if they know they're dying and have nothing to lose.

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[–] Irremarkable@fedia.io 99 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I am honestly shocked that something like this hadn't happened much sooner

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[–] Zannsolo@lemmy.world 98 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

When people are pushed to the point they have nothing left to lose this kinda thing will happen. I'm sort of surprised this kinda of things doesn't happen more often to people who make their fortunes off the suffering of others.

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[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 94 points 3 weeks ago

I'm sorry, bullets aren't covered by my healthcare executive sympathy plan.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 91 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"The motive for this murder is currently unknown but based on the evidence we have so far, it does appear the victim was specifically targeted," he told reporters. "But at this point, we do not know why."

We don't?

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[–] aramis87@fedia.io 88 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I have never had worse "insurance" than when I had United "Healthcare". They have you a big book full of all their "providers", but when you called to make an appointment, you were told they'd left United quite a while back and shouldn't be in the book. A few providers were still in network, but they weren't accepting new patients. Their "provider support" line was completely useless, because they would only read you out the "options" available in the book, the one with all the ghost providers.

My SIL in southern New Jersey ended up with them for some reason. She needed to see an OB/Gyn due to some abnormal bleeding that had been going on for too long. She went through their provider carousel and finally found one provider who was still in network and also still accepting new patients. That provider was 2.5 hours away from her, in the very other end of New Jersey.

I eventually did find one local provider who was in network, except they never did any comprehensive medical visits; you had to visit them for one issue at a time, at least a week apart. They'd give you a prescription or a referral but (once again) you were entirely on your own finding someone to accept the referral. Like there were times I'd make a dozen phone calls a day for weeks, trying to find someone who could see me - it was very much an entire part-time job trying to see someone!

I ended up switching insurance and have ended up 'captured' within a regional hospital's provider network. The hospital bought up a bunch of local independent providers in all the different specialities. I'm really unhappy with the continued corporatization of healthcare and the conglomeration of hospital networks - but the ability to call one number, be given a specialist within reasonable driving distance and (in that same phone call) be given an appointment within a reasonable timeframe is just so refreshing!

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[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 88 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

A few years ago on a cruise we sat at a table with a doctor who said he was in charge of all United Healthcare insurance approvals. This guy didn't just mention he had to sometimes refuse people care, he was absolutely giddy about it and took sadistic pleasure in seeing other people suffer. We moved to a different table to get away from him.

I guess we'll find out eventually, but I've got to wonder if the shooter was pushed over the edge after someone close to him died due to refusal of care by United Healthcare.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 57 points 3 weeks ago

I hope we never find out. Let these fuckers live in fear knowing that dude is still out there.

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[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 84 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

CEOs of exploitative corporations should take notice.

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[–] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 75 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Serious mod abuse in this thread. Removing a lot of posts that don't actually break any rules.

Like I get that you have to ensure that people follow the rules, but you're waaaaaay overstepping that line.

Edit: seems to have calmed down a few hours after I posted this, now comments aren't getting removed unless they actually break the rules, as far as I can tell.

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[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 74 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Having just had someone I care about go through the American health care system, I get it.

My person went through months of agony and will never be completely the same, for absolutely no reason other than the system trying to squeeze a little more money out.

I would never do this kind of thing. I don't think it's the way. But I get it. More than once I fantasized about burning down the head offices of the insurance company. I just don't think you can kill and hurt vulnerable people at massive scale for profit with your smug little grin, and expect people to ignore it forever, only because there's a set of traditions right now that makes it all legal.

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 74 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not gonna celebrate or call for violence, but I am going to say I'm definitely not as bothered by this as I am with the constant cop killings and school shootings.

Late stage capitalism is getting to the terminal stage, I think. Well, it did for this CEO, at the least.

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[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 72 points 3 weeks ago

Getting to the find out stage.

[–] sudo42@lemmy.world 69 points 3 weeks ago

Turns out it wasn’t the gunshots that killed him. Insurance declined because he wasn’t covered for that caliber and he wound up dying of infection.

/s

[–] HeartyOfGlass@lemm.ee 66 points 3 weeks ago

"Profits before People"-style mass murder gunned down. Thoughts and prayers. Bury the company with him.

[–] VARXBLE@lemmy.dbzer0.com 62 points 3 weeks ago

Deeply ironic that when this news broke I was in an urgent care out of network because I couldn't get an appointment anywhere with my employer provided United Healthcare.

Oh well, anyway.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 61 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 57 points 3 weeks ago

The motive for this murder is currently unknown, but based on the evidence we have so far, it does appear the victim was specifically targeted," he told reporters. "But at this point, we do not know why." (...) "There had been some threats," [Paulete Thompson, Brian's wife] told NBC News. "Basically, I don’t know, a lack of coverage? I don’t know details. I just know that he said there were some people that had been threatening him."

Try "he was an absolute asshole and the group was making people's lives hell in order to profit" for a reason.

UnitedHealth Group, the parent company, was holding its annual investor conference Wednesday morning in New York City but abruptly ended it due to a "very serious medical situation" with a team member.

The corporation using this fucking bullshit corpospeech for "our CEO was shot" makes me irrationally angry.

[–] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 55 points 3 weeks ago

Heroic gunman stops mass murderer from continuing his work.

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