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Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) warned Republicans against opposing Donald Trump's nomination of Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) as attorney general, stating that MAGA supporters would target their jobs if they break ranks.

Tuberville defended Trump’s right to choose his team, urging senators to “vote with President Trump.”

Gaetz, who recently resigned from Congress, is a divisive figure within the GOP, having faced FBI and House Ethics investigations over alleged misconduct.

Some Republicans are openly concerned about the nomination and are deliberating their next steps.

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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago

Yeah I’m sure senators will respond well to threats — as well as some house members did to threats from Gym Jordan to make him Speaker.

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 35 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

are these those checks and balances i’ve heard so much about?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

Yes, but not in the way Sen McChucklefuck thinks. Senators are a famously ornery bunch. They're not going to respond well to threats.

[–] user1234@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

No, they use PayPal instead of checks now.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 11 points 8 hours ago

No gaetz paid for his sex trafficking of underage girls with Venmo, that's how they caught him.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 20 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Tuberville is another reason why Alabama remains f'ed up.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Alabama is the anus of the usa.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I'm not sure your metaphor holds. You get rid of your anus life is not going to be that much fun. Alabama on the other hand...

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 215 points 19 hours ago (6 children)

Tuberville defended Trump’s right to choose his team, urging senators to “vote with President Trump.”

The same Tuberville that held up more than 300 of Biden's non-political military promotions now thinks nominations should just get a rubber stamp?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yes. They don't care. Stop wasting your time pointing out their overt hypocrisy. It's exactly what they want.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago

You are right. These people only speak one language. The same language we spoke to the Nazis last time.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 114 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I mean if you were hoping for some gotcha on them being hypocrites you should know by now that they don't care and neither do their supporters.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 7 points 11 hours ago

Tuberville himself wouldn't, but a lot of Republicans thought that was dumb as shit and was directly hurting military readiness. He does not have a good reputation in his own party thanks to that stunt. Tuberville's voters will still come out for him, but it takes more than that to get things done in Congress.

It's quite possible that more than a few Republicans will ignore Tuberville. The senate breakdown will be 47/53, so it doesn't take many to stop it.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 34 points 17 hours ago

Yes. He would have zero issue with your comment. He would smile. He is not attempting to be logically consistent

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

Being moral or consistent is viewed as a weakness for the qons.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 26 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

The same Tuberville that held up more than 300 of Biden’s non-political military promotions now thinks nominations should just get a rubber stamp?

Of course. You don't expect them to play by the same rules they try to impose on everyone else, do you?

Mitch McConnell has openly acknowledged, admits to, and embraces the hypocrisy as a political tool to be wielded as necessary.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 13 points 12 hours ago

Tuberville? More like GROOMERville.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 76 points 18 hours ago (8 children)

And this is why they will fall in line. Tuberville's threat is very, very real.

Trump has long shown his power to make or break political careers in the GOP. No prominent member of the GOP has so much as criticized Trump and had their political careers remain intact. Liz Cheney is a prime example. Mitch fucking McConnell, who spent decades shaping the far right of the GOP and spent the past 10 years leading Trump's rise to power in the first place, is now being ostracized by some in his own party for not being MAGA enough. Adam Kinzinger, a former harsh critic of Trump, is now apparently trying to revive his political career by following the Kevin McCarthy playbook of sucking up to Trump..

They have both trifectas. They've got the White House/Congress/Supreme Court trifecta, along with the White House/HOR/Senate. It's their game. They get to play the game by their rules. And Trump has said that they're basically going to play Calvinball with the rules to get what they want. They have 53 seats in the Senate. If 51 of them decide that a simple majority can remove a member because they fucking say so, then that's the rule and there's nothing you or I can do about it.

This is the 2nd Trump administration. Get on board or get run over. Trump has far, FAR more power and influence than he had during his first adminstration. Get in his way and you will be purged. It's that simple.

And remember, all you people all over the other threads bitching and saying you couldn't vote for Harris because Liz Cheney showed up with her that one time....remember that you fucking voted for this.

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

On the Harris🤎Cheney issue, I think it's notable that the Harris turnout was actually quite large in many places, but the trump turnout was larger.

I can't remember what media I was doomfully consuming, but someone basically said Dems should not try to court Republicans to vote... because even if it works, they'll arrive at the polls and vote Republican.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

I can’t remember what media I was doomfully consuming, but someone basically said Dems should not try to court Republicans to vote… because even if it works, they’ll arrive at the polls and vote Republican.

Now this is an interesting take on it that at least makes some more sense. I don't think we have any precedent to really go on; how many times do we really see someone from one party advocating for the other guy. It would be interesting to study how valid it actually is.

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I'm not aligned with Kinzinger but I don't really see the kissass vibes. I think he remains as principled as ever but he is acknowledging the new conditions of the game.

[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

This is the 2nd Trump administration. Get on board or get run over. Trump has *far, FAR* more power and influence than he had during his first adminstration.

Hoping you’re wrong and his mandate fades quickly and he becomes an ineffective lame duck as early into this upcoming term as possible.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

So am I, but if I were a betting man.....

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 29 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

then that's the rule and there's nothing you or I can do about it.

That is NOT true!

There's nothing legal we can do about it, but that not the same thing.

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[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 63 points 19 hours ago (3 children)
[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 12 points 12 hours ago

qon-addled magabrainz: "OMG! Hillary is sex trafficking children out of the basement of a pizza parlor with no basement, YOU GUYZZZ!"

{ Actual sex trafficker gets nominated for AG }

Also qon-addled magabrainz: "If anyone questions this pedo being AG, we will END YOU!"

[–] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

Child sex trafficker.

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 22 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

GOP Senators: Sorry, I won't get to represent you this term. Thanks for the votes though, and the 6-figure salary and sweet benefits package. Byeeee!

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

And lifetime pension regardless of time served.

The pension value can be up to 80% of the member's final salary, which is $174,000 per year. At an 80% rate, that's a pension benefit of $139,200. (The Speaker of the House has a salary of $223,500. The Senate President makes $193,400, as do the majority and minority leaders in the House and Senate.) All benefits are taxpayer-funded.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

I don't think that's a necessarily bad thing. You don't want to pay politicians less money, when there is very little for anyone not rich or corrupt to run as it is.

In fact... I think we should raise all of their salaries to $200k a year, and implement a $10 national minimum wage. Each congress members salary is a multiple of 20 of the minimum wage in their state. So let's say your state has a $15 minimum wage, congratulations you make $250,000 rather than the base.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The salary is fine but not only is "insider trading" allowed but there's no divestment or blind trust requirement. Some politicians are "more equal" than others because they're already millionaires. The whole lawmaker thing is a side-gig.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Right... that's why there should be a high salary and good pension for running, getting elected and serving. If you can run once and technically retire decently, it would incentivize normal people to run. Hopefully once you have enough regular folk you can ban insider trading.

But even as it is, insider trading only really helps the people with money already. What am I gonna take the pittance I have in the bank and invest it? I would only be slightly less poor, even with some amazing trades.

[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

The tradition of giving pensions (at least for the president) started under Eisenhower. Everyone took one so Truman wouldn’t be humiliated because he was one of the few who entered office without prior wealth.

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[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 34 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (5 children)

Gaetz, who recently resigned from Congress

What!? How did I miss that?
Are you telling me he was gone and now Trump has brought him back... what the fuck.

This must be how Marty McFly felt. This really is a Biff timeline

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 52 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

What!? How did I miss that?

They announced it at some off hour, specifically hoping it would fly under the radar.

But the dots are really simple to connect.

  • Gaetz was about to be exposed as a kiddy diddler facing a lifetime on the sex offender registry list.
  • Trump swoops in and offers him the AG position. This gives Gaetz not only political cover to resign from congress without looking suspect, but also gives him a path to make the sex trafficking issues go away.
  • Gaetz quits congress abruptly, knowing that house ethics rules mean the report exposing his exploits with teenage girls will not be published after all.
  • With the ethics report safely under wraps and the Senate firmly in Trump's pocket, Gaetz is going to get the AG nod.
  • Gaetz makes his own sex trafficking investigation disappear, makes the Trump investigations disappear, and vows to continue doing Trump's bidding as AG without question.
  • Most likely, Trump and Gaetz will start to meddle in Trump's state cases as well. While state governments and legal scholars will decry this interference as highly illegal, the Trump administration will continue to push forward, with the backing of the Supreme Court, under the legal premise of "We're in charge now. Deal with it."
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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 53 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (5 children)

I believe it happened right after Trump's AG news was announced. It also conveniently came right before an ethics report was about to be released on him after the investigations finished

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This really is a Biff timeline

Biff is based on donvict, because it's been known for decades just what a total asshole he is.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/back-to-the-future-writer-biff-is-donald-trump-190408/

In the movie, Biff Tannen – Hill Valley’s number-one citizen, America’s greatest living folk hero and Marty McFly’s arch nemesis – resides in a palatial penthouse atop a casino, which bears a striking resemblance to the Trump Plaza Hotel, which opened its doors five years before the film premiered.

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