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NGL, not asking for a friend. Given the current trends in US politics, it seems prudent to at least look into it.

Most of the online content on the topic seems to be by immigration attorneys hustling ultra rich people. I'm not ultra rich. I have a job in tech, could work remotely, also have enough assets to not desperately need money if the cost of living were low enough.

I am a native English speaker, fluent enough in Spanish to survive in a Spanish speaking country. I am old, male, cis, hetero, basically asexual at this point. I am outgoing, comfortable among strangers.

What's good and bad about where you live? Would it be OK for a outsider, newcomer?

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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If you're a nurse or some other skilled professional in some specific fields... We have kind of a labor shortage with some jobs here in Germany. I live in the city, should be okay for outsiders. I guess.

I'd recommend to visit a place before considering to move. See how the people act. And you'd need to learn the language to be able to take part in regular every day life. (Edit: And for most jobs.)

[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ja, aber man braucht wenigstens b2 für eine Ausbildung zu machen. Das gelt auch für wenn man möchte als Pflegefachmann/frau arbeiten

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Stimmt, da habe ich wohl ein großes 'Aber' ausgelassen. Habe das mal ergänzt, Danke. Angeblich ist Deutsch ja auch nicht so ganz so leicht zu erlernen. Viele der anderen Sprachen aber wahrscheinlich ebenso wenig.

[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Ja genau, Deutsch für mich persönlich war/ist schwierig, aber es ist nicht so kompliziert wie es auf Youtube oder Tiktok erklärt werden. Ich schätze, dass es viel einfacher als Arabisch ist.

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[–] Skua@kbin.earth 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Here in Scotland / the UK you'd be absolutely fine so long as you're a decent person. There's not even a language barrier beyond dialect, and dialects vary hugely within the UK and each part of the UK anyway. Just please don't insist that your great-great-grandmother is actually from Clan MacWhatever.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

What if my mom grew up across the road from Bellahouston Park?

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[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Does establishing some kind of ancestry actually do anything? I did a whole report on my great great grandfather on my mother's side and learned about the name and the clan. Still remember the motto and official plaid and all that jazz. Never once considered it'd ever be relevant to anything.

It is fun seeing "nec sorte, nec fato" pop up ocassionally tho.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 7 points 18 hours ago

It might allow you to join the clan as a social club, essentially. A fair few of them have newsletters and run events where they get together, so it can be a good network. It doesn't affect the day-to-day life of the average person, though

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In my country you'd be locked up at a random moment of your stay. Tortured in prison, used as a trading chip in a complex web of international intrigue and diplomacy. Accused of terrorism. Paraded for political manipulation of the masses. Then unceremoniously put in a plane to Canada so US authorities can go pick you up. But it would be very nice and welcoming up to that point.

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[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Lots of Americans here in London, UK. They've generally been transferred by their company though. I expect it's v hard to get in when applying for a new job.

[–] multicolorKnight@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I never even considered the UK, in spite of having English friends here in the states, and US friends currently living there, and enjoying it. My limited knowledge is that visa issues are problematic, and the cost of living is rather high. Culturally it would be great.

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[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 3 points 18 hours ago

You hit the nail on the head when you said "expats or exiles"

They're immigrants, and it's only Brits and Yanks that refuse to admit it

I'm an immigrant. Learn the fucking language yous cunts. Respect the country's mindset. Pay your fucking taxes.

[–] insaneinthemembrane@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ireland is full of tech jobs that pay well and that's the only way to live well here right now since basics are so expensive. Housing is a big issue, but that's not just our problem. Come on over, you'd be welcomed.

[–] VintageTech@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I would absolutely love to be in Ireland! Well, I mostly just want to sit and listen to the elderly talk about the days before they went to shit.

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[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 16 hours ago

Austrian here, I work in software development, I have encountered people before who didn't speak much German and whom I had to speak English with. I think you'd be fine around here, we're a pretty generic Western culture I think.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 22 hours ago

Wanna move and work remotely for your current company I guess? Why should we welcome you instead of someone who wants to come here to fill up a vacant position that we don't have workforce for?

You can't have your cake and eat it too just because you're angry that the wrong guy got elected. There are people around the world getting bombed, they're the people who need to get out of their country, not a tech bro that could just move to a State that reliably elected Democrats.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Working with a few of them. One moved here around 20 years ago, and one moved here 2 years ago. They're both doing fine. The rest I don't know very well.

Don't bring your politics over here, though.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Okay I've read about three comments and I'm gonna need someone to explain the connotation behind the word "expat" because the only definition I can find is "Someone who resides outside their country of origin."

[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Americans view the terms immigrant and immigration negatively

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[–] sevan@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago

The way I've seen it, it appears to primarily be used by the various British and former British colonies, including the US. For these groups, anyone from outside the colonies living in "our" territory is an immigrant (who is certainly a lower class!). However, if we choose to reside in another country, we are not immigrants, we are "expats".

Not everyone uses this term, but those that do frequently congregate in English speaking enclaves and make no attempt to integrate into their new home. They often see the locals as a sort of servant class, particularly because they probably came with enough money or income to make them wealthy by local standards.

As you might imagine, people with this attitude are probably not very popular with locals.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Very online folks word lawyering to the n-th degree. Language shifts and has different meanings in different countries.

To play along, I've heard "expat" to refer to someone on a work appointment with a fixed timeline, say, someone who works for Microsoft being sent to France for 2 years. I've heard many Americans say "I'm immigrating to" to mean they are going through permeant resident or citizen pathways with the host country.

Others have a different read of the word, but as long as you aren't a jerk wherever you are going, it won't ever come up

[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I'm roughly between b2 and c1 in German after living here for 2 years. I met another American who has lived here for 12 years and spoke lower than a1 german. I could only speak to him in English. Don't be like that guy.

I'd say currently in Germany it's all depending on which state you pick. Bayern z.B. is the most international place I've ever lived. The people here (speaking from my view point) are very loving and caring. I feel my day with small talk and jokes and have no problem making friends, which is the opposite of what I read from others on the internet.

So I guess it all depends on where you live, how hard you work to integrate yourself, and most importantly is TRY to learn the language for gods sake.

Either way best of luck to you and enjoy your journey!

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 7 points 1 day ago

I think you'd be fine here in Australia but that depends on whether you have a job or not. Australia is good for anyone who comes with employment already. Otherwise its Work And Holiday visa pathways are better suited to younger people because of the usually physical and demanding nature of the jobs available.

Otherwise Argentina would also be legally okay for you, however I haven't lived there for a very long time so I can't say for sure. It would be a lot less safe for foreigners than Australia but I hear it wouldn't be more rough than some of the rough places in the US. You will want a stable source of income ideally from a remote job, such as freelancing for clients that can pay with dollars or euros. You will also want a friend who's native or already well established so they can teach you the ropes socially/locally and with the current state of the country. I would personally not go back to Argentina without a stable income because making a livable income inside the country is going to be next to impossible.

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I live in CA and I'm diabetic. If it gets to the point where I get denied medical insurance because I have a preexisting condition then I might have to bail.

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[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would be doing that too, but you got to understand that other countries have other cultures, some things wil be better like free heathcare and better labour laws but other are not "as good". In europe they do control a lot of things we can access on the internet for example. If someone doesn't comply with an EU regulation they will be punished, it's not 'freedom of speach" without consequences like in the US. Also being entitled like many americans are will not work here. So like everything in life some people will be a good match for.one country and others for other countries.

[–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I'm really curious about what you think you're not being allowed to visit on the internet.

I can't think of a single thing that's 'blocked'.

Unless you're under 13, of course, in which case I concede there are a lot of restrictions - but that's a good thing.

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

more.like some youtube videos or some sites that didn't comply with GPDR. It's been a while since I had a problem like this but to be fair I was just giving an example of regulations that exist to protect us, that we support, but that goes against the "american way"

[–] freeman@sh.itjust.works 6 points 23 hours ago

GPDR does not have any site blocking provisions, just fines.

A lot of small US websites (typically regional media) choose to not show pages to EU IPs but they are not blocked.

[–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, ok - that's fair.

I thought you were implying that we had some kind of firewall like China or something!

I agree, US sites geolocking their content is sometimes a pain, but I get your meaning. We do tend to be more comfortable with our governments trying to protect us than the Americans seem to.

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

that was exactly what I meant! I may not have expressed correctly. Thanks! :)

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[–] Magister@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Canada would be easy, but you cannot just go there and work

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