hendrik

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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

That was my question... How much on-chip memory do they have? And what are applications for that amount of memory? I think an image generator needs like 4-5GB and a LLM that's smart enough as a general porpose chatbot needs like 8-10GB. More will be better. And at that point you'd better make it unified memory like with the M-series Macs or other APUs? Or this isn't targeted at generative AI but some other applications. Hence my question.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Depending on the chip, they have somewhere from 100 to 400 GB/s. I'm not sure on the numbers on Intel processors. I think the consumer processors have about 50 - 80 GB/s. (~Alder Lake, dual channel DDR5) Mine seems to have way less. And a recent GPU will be somewhere in the range of 400 to 1000 GB/s. But consumer graphics cards stop at 24GB of VRAM and these flagship models are super expensive. Even compared to Apple products.

The people from the llama.cpp project did some measurements and I believe the Apple "Metal" framework seems to outperform the x86 computers by an order of magnitude or so. I'm not sure, it's been some time since i skimmed the discussions on their Github page.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Get a different hobby. Find some activity you're interested in. Then focus on that and slowly let go. And keep in mind what matters to you.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 9 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

What kind of AI workloads are these NPUs good at? I mean it can't be most of generative AI like LLMs, since that's mainly limited by the memory bandwith and at this point it doesn't really matter if you have a NPU, GPU or CPU... You first need lots of fast RAM and a wide interface to it.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

The Apple chips also have a wide interface to the RAM. That means you can run chatbots (LLMs) and other AI workloads that are memory-bound at crazy speeds compared to an Intel (or AMD) computer.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 3 points 18 hours ago

Ja, Englisch und Deutsch sind auch beides germanische Sprachen, sind also durchaus enger verwandt. Wobei ich finde, Englisch ist auch sowieso eine der einfachsten Sprachen zu erlernen. Man muss kein der/die/das mitlernen, die unregelmäßigen Verben sind finde ich ein Witz gegen Deutsch und Französisch (was ich mal in der Schule hatte), wo es ja zu jeder Regel ohnehin zig Ausnahmen gibt … Ich hab mal etwas im Internet herumgeschaut, die Leute sagen man kann B2 Deutsch so in circa 1-2 Jahren nebenher erlernen.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 10 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's a good question. I'd say be aware what you're ignorant about. Most people are ignorant. They have strong opinions about one conflict in the Middle East while they simultaneously ignore ongoing genocides in Africa. And my question is, does it help anyone if we argue with relatives or on the internet? I'd say it's alright to say I don't take sides, it's a shitty situation but not my field of expertise, so I don't have an opinion.

It's rarely a bad thing to be informed about things. And you always need information/education to make good decisions. Especially as a citizen in a democracy, it's your duty to elect your leaders, so you better have some idea about who's going to ruin the country and who's going to make it better. But that doesn't mean you have to know everything. And it also doesn't mean you need to blast your opinion out there.

And it's okay to be tired of US politics. Due to current circumstances. However, it shouldn't be that way. We learn about history and politics (in school) for a good reason. We're a part of the world and a part of what's going on.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think that's overestimating the complexity. In my example you can just delete all data from people who cross the border regularly. I heard like >80% of Americans don't travel that much. So you'd still catch the vast majority. And there are additional giveaways. Visiting relatives will follow a pattern or coincide with holidays like every other thanksgiving. Weekend trips will start at the end of a week while work will be during the week and often someone would visit a worksite multiple times.

And correlating data and having multiple datapoints helps immensely. For example if you want to correlate license plates with cell tower data: One measurement will only narrow it down to a few hundreds or thousands of people who passed the highway at that point. But, a single additional datapoint will immediately give an exact answer. Because it's very unlikely that multiple of the people also return at the same time. Same applies to other statistics.

And you don't even need to figure out the patterns. It's a classification problem. And that's a well understood problem in machine learning. You need a labeled dataset with examples and ML will figure out the rest. No matter if it's deciphering hand writing, figuring out shopping behaviour to advertise, or something like this. We figured out the maths a long time ago. Nowadays it's in the textbooks and online courses and you just need some pre-existing data to start with. Maybe you're right and compiling a dataset will take more than 3 weeks. But it's certainly doable and not that complicated. And menstrual cycles follow patterns. That makes machine learning a precise approach. It'll home in on the ~4weeks cycle, find outliers and data that never followed a realistic cycle.

I agree, there are complications. People need to be incentivised to pay attention. Government agencies regularly fail at complex tasks. Due to various reasons. But it's probably enough to make peoples' lives miserable if they have to live in constant fear. So there is an additional psychological factor, even if they don't succed with total surveillance.

And this approach is a bit unlikely anyways. It's far easier to pass a law to force clinics to rat out people or something like that.

But my guess is that [predictive policing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictive_policing might become an issue. Currently we seem to stick to intelligence agencies and advertising with that technology (and Black mirror episodes and China). But that's mainly a political choice.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

For using or not using loaded words? Generally, It's easier to criticize some words than to write down a long and nuanced opinion. You literally don't even need to read the attached article. And it's emotionally more rewarding to pick on things than write a comment that you agree. Also politics is an easy target for arguments and strong opinions. Try the same with gardening or the life of Johan Sebastian Bach and you'll see the same dynamics don't apply to some other topics. Unless someone writes something obviously wrong facts, that's going to be pointed out immediately.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Has that been tried since 1790 when the french decided to behead all the rich people?

 

Seems they recently changed something on Spotify and all the tools I've tried fail now. And DownOnSpot which seems promising has received a cease and desist letter and got taken down. What do you people use? I want something that actually fetches the audio from Spotify, not just rip it from YouTube. And it has to work as of now. Does the latest commit from DownOnSpot work? Back when I tested it a few weeks ago it failed due to some API changes. Are there other tools floating around?

 

I just found https://www.arliai.com/ who offer LLM inference for quite cheap. Without rate-limits and unlimited token generation. No-logging policy and they have an OpenAI compatible API.

I've been using runpod.io previously but that's a whole different service as they sell compute and the customers have to build their own Docker images and run them in their cloud, by the hour/second.

Should I switch to ArliAI? Does anyone have some experience with them? Or can recommend another nice inference service? I still refuse to pay $1.000 for a GPU and then also pay for electricity when I can use some $5/month cloud service and it'd last me 16 years before I reach the price of buying a decent GPU...

Edit: Saw their $5 tier only includes models up to 12B parameters, so I'm not sure anymore. For larger models I'd need to pay close to what other inference services cost.

Edit2: I discarded the idea. 7B parameter models and one 12B one is a bit small to pay for. I can do that at home thanks to llama.cpp

 

tl;dr: Be excellent to each other, do something constructive here?

I'm not sure anymore where the Threadiverse is headed. (The Threadiverse being this threaded part of the Fediverse, i.e. Lemmy, MBin, PieFed, ...)
In my time here, I've met a lot of nice people and had meaningful conversations and learned lots of things. At the same time, it's always been a mixed bag. We've always had quite some argumentative people here, trolls, ... I've seen people hate on and yell at each other, and do all kinds of destructive things. My issue with that is: Negative behavior is disproportionately affecting the atmosphere. And I'd argue we have nowhere enough nice behavior to even that out.

I don't see Lemmy grow for quite some time now. Seems it's now leveling off at a bit less that 50k monthly active users. And I don't see how that'd change. I'm missing some clear vision/idea of where we want to be headed. And I miss an atmosphere that makes people want to join or stay here, of all of the places on the internet. The saying is: "If you don't go forwards you go backwards". I'm not sure if this applies... At least we're not shrinking anymore.

And I'm always unsure if the tone and atmosphere here changes subtly and gradually. I've always disagreed with a few dynamics here. But lately it feels like we're on the decline, at least to me. I occasionally keep an eye on the votes on my comments. And seems I'm getting fewer of them. Sometimes I reply to a post and not a single person interacts. Even OP seems to have abandoned their post moments after writing it. And also for nuanced and longer replies, I regularly don't get more than one or two upvotes. I think that used to be a bit better at some point. And I see the same thing happening with other peoples' comments. So it's not just me writing low-quality comments. What does work is stating simple truths. I regularly get some incoming votes with those. But my vision of this place isn't spreading simple truths, but have proper and meaningful discussions, learn things and new perspectives or just mingle with people or talk. But judging by the votes I observe, that isn't appreciated by the community here.

Another pet peeve of mine is the link aggregator aspect of Lemmy. I'd say at least 80% of Lemmy is about dumping some political (or tech) news articles. Lots of them don't generate any engagement. Lots of them are really low-effort. OP just dumps something somewhere, no body text added, no info about what's interesting about it. And people don't even read those articles. They just read the title and react (emotionally) to that. In the end probably neither OP nor the audience read the article and it's just littering the place. Burying and diminishing other, meaningful content. (With that said: There are also nice (news) discussions going on at the same time. And Lemmy is meant to be a link aggregator. It's just that my perception is: it's skewed towards low quality, low engagement and random noise.)

A few people here also don't really like political debate. And there's no escape from it here on Lemmy since so much revolves around that. And nowadays politics is about strong opinions, emotions and emotional reactions. And often limited to that. The dynamics of Lemmy reinforce the negative aspect of that, because the time when you're most incentivized to reply or react is, when it triggers some strong emotion in you, for example you strongly disagree with a comment and that makes you want to counter it and write your own opinion underneath. If you agree, you don't feel a strong emotion and you don't reply. And the majority of users seems to also forget to upvote in that case, as I lined out earlier. And we also don't write nuanced answers, dissect complex things and examine it from all angles. That's just effort and it's not as rewarding for the brain to do that as it is pointing out that someone is wrong. So it just fosters an atmosphere of being argumentative.

Prospect

I think we have several ways of steering the community:

  1. Technology: Features in the software, design choices that foster good behavior.
  2. Moderation: Give toxic people the boot, or delete content that drags down the place. Following: What remains is nice people and not adverse content.
  3. The community

I'd say 1 and 2 go without saying. (Not that everything is perfect with those...) But it really boils down to 3: The community. This is a fairly participatory place. We are the ones shaping the tone and atmosphere. And it's our place. It's kind of our obligation to care for it if we want to see it go somewhere. Isn't it?

So what's your vision of this place? Do you have some idea on where you'd like it to go? Practical ideas on how to achieve it?
Do you even agree with my perception of the dynamics here, and the implications and conclusions I came up with?

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