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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 35 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I have been saying for the past 6 - 8 years that Gen Z is the future, they are different, they are compassionate, etc. My opinion changed on that Tuesday in a bad way.

[–] LunarVoyager@lemmy.world 30 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

As an elder gen Z, I've long noticed that the younger half of the generation is different. Gen alpha act like they have actual brain damage. We're doomed.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 9 points 15 hours ago

I am also elder Gen Z and im really fucken hoping its just our version of Gen X and Boomers being confused about Dragon Ball Z fights. Otherwise I hope the runts get trial by fired and knock it off.

[–] kerrypacker@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

They've been raised to believe their thoughts are valid and they should speak up, instead of shutting the fuck up and listening until they have enough experience.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 1 points 16 minutes ago

Sorry, but that was a "kids these days" moment.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 24 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

“Crazy how Millennials were the only ones to learn how to use computers and we apparently are also the only ones who learned to see through disinformation,”

Whoever this Dylan jackass is can piss right off. Gen-X built your fucking computers.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Well, TBF, the boomers helped bootstrap what Gen X was working with, and then there are the Elder Gods like Turing, Hopper, John McCarthy, Neumann, etc...

In any case, if someone thinks that learning computers means they can see through disinformation....LOLOLOL. This is exactly why I keep beating the drum for critical thinking and media literacy, steeped within a rich liberal (in every meaning of that term) educational program.

[–] Stowaway@midwest.social 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Whoa there! Cant have the working class intelligent enough to see through the bull shit.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 9 minutes ago

I do think that much of the things drummed up about "generations" feeds into the distraction. If you can get boomers vilified and at the throats of millennials, if you can get Gen-X mostly ignored and sidelined, and Gen Z getting feds lots of complete dreck while telling them "you are a magical species who gets 'tech' like no other" and so on (while starting to rev up the propaganda to tell Gen alpha the exact same thing)....it's quite the sideshow from what is really happening, and that is that the upper crust like Elon and donvict are utterly lawless and making off with all the loot.

I think none of this is all that new - setting age groups against one another, setting up a war between male and females, the rural against the metropolitan, the various strata of classes that range from extreme poverty to the middle class (that still desperately needs a job to keep their head above water) and of course the old standby: setting the races against one another.

This is age-old stuff, but the techniques have been sharpened and perfected like never before. And the qons work extra hard to make sure that education won't rise to meet the challenge.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 16 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It's like every generation loses the ability to do something in computer technology that was just abstracted away somehow. I as a millennial have never soldered a PC mainboard (modding an Xbox doesn't count), but I'd say that otherwise, my understanding is pretty good. And I think all of my friends understand the concepts of files.

I recently asked someone about 10 years older if he knew what partitioning and formatting means in the context, and he knew, despite initially saying he has no clue about computers, to show someone 10 years younger (who didn't know) that such knowledge was just basically required back in the day. And it's not like these terms are obsolete, the concepts are still the same, even though we went from MBR to GPT and from FAT32 or whatever to better filesystems. It's no different for phones, but not required and even hidden.

I'd say generally, the technology userbase broadened while average knowledge in the group declined, however I'm not sure whether the absolute numbers of people with a certain knowledge level actually went down.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

It’s like every generation loses the ability to do something in computer technology that was just abstracted away somehow

Yes, I've been hearing computer engineers (or those with that mindset) complaining that programmers don't really understand much about how computers actually work since before I even entered the workforce, but I kind of get what they are/were saying. I'd look around at my peers nearly the entire time I've been doing this, and I'd see some that really wanted to know a lot about, well, everything, in some cases, being interested in hardware, and then there were a lot, maybe more than half, that just focus on learning whatever the herd is telling them is the newest shiny object - and this is nearly always vendor-led and a lot of it is less about sound reasoning, and more about being fashionable. These days it might be a frontend JS framework, but exchange the set of terms/frameworks and it's the same old story.

These days it is increasingly difficult to know much about the actual target hardware, if you work in hosted services like Azure, etc...

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, Boomer grandparents did the real lifting if we're going back...

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

And some of the prior generation. There were some truly great minds working on this stuff that were the parents of boomers.

[–] josefo@leminal.space 1 points 10 hours ago

If you want salvation, seek Jesus. The one from Revelations, the one that crushes people and had his clothes dyed red with the blood of his enemies. He is the only one who will save you now. Riding a white horse, and sword in hand, truly the fifth horseman of apocalypse. Only he can bring justice to this doomed world.

[–] whithom@discuss.online 17 points 1 day ago

Trump Youth.

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Why hasn't there been a push to counter the propaganda on social media with social media?

Use short form, humorous posts that integrate facts and ideas that give a different more positive take on others. I would guess there are great writers and actors that have a progressive-ish mindset that could put something like this together.

But honestly what is the reason this hasn't been done? Or if it is being done why isn't there more of a push to get it seen?

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 15 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Algorithms ensure that the only content that ends up getting to your eyes is content that you already agree with for the most part. Or content that you hate so much that you have an incurable urge to respond to it with swearing and vitriol. (or at least that's why I think TikTok keeps giving me Maple Maga bullshit)

In other words, you can put up whatever you want but thanks to modern social media, the only people who will ever see it are the people who already agree with you.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago

why I think TikTok keeps giving me Maple Maga bullshit

I mean... it shows the garbage to you, and you keep coming back..... maybe it's time to ditch tictack

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you don't control the platform, it might just be wasted efforts, although I guess they could try. But it might be that those pulling the strings can be sure that virtually no one is reached.

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago

It's a frustratingly true response... sigh

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That would require ongoing funding outside of election years. These are paid for by Mercers and Kochs or the Kremlin on the right, and i don't think Gates or Cuban is too eager to fund left-wing propaganda.

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

There is Holywood money in the world of progressive actors that could put something together but I don't know that world and how it works so I have no idea if it's something that is actually feasible.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 8 points 23 hours ago

You will be surprised to learn how little money the most famous actors in Hollywood actually have, that's why they're all trying to sell vagina candles and tequila.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

The Hollywood elites are full of conservatives and libertarians. The elites are the suits who finance those movies like Steven Mnuchin.

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 174 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Gen Z grew up on social media. The same that spreads the propaganda, the fake information and the toxic masculinity bullshit.

They also grew up with an impossible social economic context where they barely have any hope. Trump's making promises to make the country great again. What have they got to lose?

Why is anyone surprised?

[–] scala@lemmy.ml 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

They also grew up in a time where the education budget was slashed over and over, even some states like Florida getting rid of history and sciences during trumps last presidency. No surprise there.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 3 points 12 hours ago

Well I guess their plan worked

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 81 points 1 day ago (10 children)

What have they got to lose?

Gay marriage, contraception, porn, legal divorce? Just off the top of my head.

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 9 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Their POV is that the earth is going to burn to a crisp before they're out of paying back their college debt whether the tie is blue or red.

Play an online game and hang with some teenagers every now and again and just listen in. I hear some straight depressing shit. They have zero hope for anything.

Kamala might keep the lights on. Trump might accidentally trip over a good idea. Worth a shot if you're fucked either way, right?

They were wrong, granted... but justified? Sure.

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[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 39 points 1 day ago

They also grew up during the pandemic so they might actually be less educated than Boomers.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 43 points 1 day ago (5 children)

As a Gen-X I will never blame the later generations. Especially Gen Z and younger, if I was in their shoes I'd be livid. You bring me into this mess and then tell me it's on me to fix it? F U

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 99 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Millenials appear to have been peak liberal.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

If this is true, it might explain so much of why they were so angry.

[–] b34k@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Watching TNG reruns nightly as an 8 year old really gave me some hope for humanity’s potential.

[–] fusionsaint@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

Just remember that according to the cannon timeline, the United States was rounding up people and putting them in “sanctuary districts” and in 2027 it’s the start of World War 3. Who knows, we may be right on track for that brighter future!

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It was pretty funny seeing people putting so much faith into these kids

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago

The funniest one was when they thought Taylor Swift fans of all people would save democracy.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its never been up to a single generation anyway

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