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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 21 points 2 days ago

I got worried at first, but upon further inspection this is a return2ozma post.

Nothing here is truthful or holds any merit.

Good day

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 3 days ago

Honestly, you can't trust the tv news polls. They want people to watch and Trump gets them numbers.

[–] FMT99@lemmy.world 174 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I don't like Harris very much. But the fact that half the country is willing to choose a deranged con artist over her is just beyond any rational thought.

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 days ago

That's what happen when you fuck your education system for money

[–] bay400@thelemmy.club 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Half the voting population, more specifically

Or I guess in this case, half of those polled

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

To be fair, it's not like everyone that doesn't vote hates him. Some do I'm sure, but there's also going to be people that think favorably of him but don't bother voting, just as there are and have been for his opponents

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Everything is fear based and not rationale.

Trump voters fear immigrants; Fear their guns, religion and identity are somehow being taken away. They fear and refuse to understand the world is constantly changing and that we need to adapt along with it.

Harris voters (rightly) fear trump and all the bigotry, racism, and misogyny he has enabled and emboldened.

Most of the American people don’t have something to vote for, only something to vote against. The ruling class is further detached for the working class by stoking culture wars gaslighting on the socioeconomic disparage

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

They want Trump in because he represents an amoral outsider. Someone who is disenfranchised by the moralisms of the establishment left.

This is how they see themselves.

They like him because he's a shithead who doesn't care to preserve this system. They want change even if it's bad.

In this way pointing out that he's a shithead and a risk to democracy - helps him.

Unfortunately it's the Harris campaigns only option, as the alternative is to say: He's actually a highly connected establishment figure who will pull the same establishment shit we do. This would have obviously blow back for an establishment figure.

They want Trump BECAUSE he's a train wreck.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 77 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Rationality has nothing to do with it.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 63 points 3 days ago (6 children)

It's all fear based. They think the migrants coming across the border are coming to take their job, rape them, break into their home, shop at the same Walmart as them, etc.

[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I want to commend you for how well you did that. Absolutely beautiful ending with “shop at the same Walmart as them”

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[–] espentan@lemmy.world 97 points 3 days ago (12 children)

It boggles the mind that this sack of shit is even in the running.

He has the charisma of a wet sponge (and the appearance of someone you'd think twice before buying a used car from), he can hardly string together a sentence (let alone hold a speech), hi lies, he commits fraud, he's a convicted felon..

That's hardly brushing the surface, yet people go "fuck yeah, this guy should run the country".

Jeebuz fuckin christ.. what's happening?

Unless you got home schooled by Heinrich Himmler, there's no excuse. You can't possibly offer your political support to such a scumbag.

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 39 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I was at a pumpkin patch 25 minutes out of Chicago on Saturday and there was a man proudly wearing a shirt with Trump on it and the shirt said, “I’m voting for the convicted felon”. His voter base does not fucking care, at all.

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[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Idiocracy. We live in Idiocracy... 500 years faster than expected.

[–] Skyline969@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

It’s not fair. I at least wanna go get a burger at Buttfuckers.

[–] zaphodb2002@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago (5 children)

President Camacho legitimately wanted to find solutions to the problems his constituents faced, AND he had the wisdom and self-awareness to know he needed someone smarter than himself in order to achieve that. He's willing to try things and change his mind when he is presented with new information. Furthermore, when he is successful, he shares the credit equitably with the other people involved.

We're doing much worse than Idiocracy.

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[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That’s hardly brushing the surface, yet people go “fuck yeah, this guy should run the country”.

Only the stupid people say that. The smart people say that the woman running against him is just as bad as him despite being measurably better in literally every conceivable metric.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I don't watch a lot of TV, so I don't see ads much, but just saw an ad from the turnip who was railing against they/them pronouns....the level of hate from the turnips is insane. It's like if Hitler was running and railing against jews. How is this shit allowed on tv...next he's gonna be saying minorities should be hung.

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[–] RufusFirefly@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

30 or 40 years ago he would've been laughed out of politics the moment he came down his gold escalator.

[–] 01011@monero.town 11 points 2 days ago

When a society puts money above all else Donald Trump is what happens. He was a celebrity failed businessman long before he became president, he knows what gets Americans excited.

[–] KnitWit@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

I was talking with my mom the other day and apparently their neighbors, who up until now had never shown any political affiliation at all, put up a Trump flag. They’ve been neighbors for like 20 years haha, my mom was shocked.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 56 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Maybe the neoliberals should stop trying to throw the race to suck up to corporate donors.

Again.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Money from donors/SuperPACs > winning against Neo-Mussolini

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[–] MdRuckus@lemmy.world 50 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The media wants a race. That’s the only way they get viewers.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 71 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Or... it really is THAT close of a race. When we shrug it off as "the media just wants a race" we get complacent.

www.vote.gov make sure you're registered and double check even if you think you already are. Early voting is happening in some states. Get active

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 27 points 3 days ago

Always vote like your vote will make a difference. It might, especially local races. If we accidentally turn the election into a sweep by everyone voting, oh well.

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[–] ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (6 children)

538 has Trump's support at his 2016 final levels. This is relevant to note because, in both prior elections, the polls were extremely good at predicting the baseline margins from diehards and registered, and the error came from badly guessing the undecideds wrong.

Unless this is the first election in a long long time to actually get the baseline wrong or literally 100% of the undecideds go to Harris, Trump's got above 2016 in raw percentage totals basically locked in(in 2016 a ton of people went third party so neither he or Hillary actually crossed 50 percent, Hillary was 48.2 and Trump 46.1). In 2020 it was 46.8 for Trump and 51.3% for Biden. If things continue to trend that way Trump will be close to his 2020 total percentage locked in and thus will almost certainly be higher in the final count. The people genuinely leaving Trump will mostly be former undecideds, not the people locked in, so this number isn't being shifted as much. That does suggest that, even with his general ceiling region not shifting a ton, he's probably set to break 47% in the final number if not more (Trump was polling sub-45 in both 2016 and 2020 so 48 is also plausible).

This matters mostly because not every undecided is going to break for Harris or Trump, there will be people sticking third party who most polls lump in with them or at least contribute to the 'Not Harris or Trump' number, and this is one of the few areas where the general trend is not in Harris's favor. Just broadly speaking this is the most left-wing Third Party batch we've had since 2000.

As much as people love to say voting third party helps Republicans, that hasn't been the case in a while, the Libertarians have been the strongest for a long while and they usually siphon off more Republicans, especially Anti-Trump Ron Paul types. They probably cost Trump Georgia in 2020. But the Libertarian party has been in a state of collapse since 2022, there was an attempted takeover by a hard right clique, which lead to a nasty party schism that left the party not cooperating, then a ton of Hardliners defected to Trump when the Moderates got control of the primaries, and then to make matters worse RFK joined in around that time taking most of the right wing moderates and leaving the Left Libertarians to put Chase Oliver on the ticket. So a ton of Libertarian voters either left with the hardliners for Trump a year ago or left for RFK who in turn endorsed Trump likely redirecting some more of them to him, and what's left is the most Left-Wing Libertarian the party has run since the 1970s.

Then there's the fact the Constitution Party has been steadily weakening for years, they lost their status as the Number 3 Third Party in 2020 to the PSL, and this year they had a schism between the Mormon and Protestant factions. They also mostly take Republican Votes. Or the fact the usual coalition of small right wing parties all working together to back one candidate(Rocky De Le Fuente last time) are all gone. Why? They all hitched to RFK Jr, and he dropped out too late for any of them to pick new guys. (That I honestly suspect was the real goal of his candiacy. Wipe out the small right wing third parties and weaken the Libertarians).

On the other foot, the Greens are proportionally stronger as Jill Stein has better name recognition than Howie, the Party for Socialism and Liberation is surging with youth support and is set to break their all time record again, and Cornel West...exists.

It could be far worse, lawsuits kept most of them off of most Swing States, Nevada kept the Green Party off and has the Constitution Party, and Pennsylvania and Arizona only have the Greens and Libertarians. Wisconsin and Michigan also still have RFK Jr on them despite Cornel West and Claudia being there. But it's still way more left leaning than normal just from the Libertarian crisis and lack of small right parties even without those new guys.

Let's say around 1.5% of the undecideds go Third Party. Lower than 2020, way way lower than 2016, about on parr with previous years. It's going to be mostly people who would otherwise vote democrat. The Popular Vote to Electoral College margin is supposed to be quite a bit less this year, but sub-Hillary margins nationally are probably a loss. So Harris wants a 2 point lead and there's around 98.5% available. It's gonna be tight.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (8 children)

A dead heat in polling is not an even race. We know Democrats need a significant lead to be break even on election day.

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 3 days ago (9 children)

quick we must go even further right! - dnc strategists

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

I swear if they come out as anti women bodily rights next...

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Democrats keep conceding right-leaning policies as if Republicans actually just want those policies

Republicans are reactionary - they don't just want tougher immigration policies. They want to hurt immigrants. If democrats push right, Republicans will just go further.

There is no moderate right-wing position that can win over moderate Republicans that they can't beat by going further right.

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[–] ConHoliousDonFrankle@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why is the generation born because we fought the Nazis so into this shit?

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago

They are the weak men created by good times. We are living through the hard times they created.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Dementia donnie is trying to thwart efforts to help Americans in the wake of two hurricanes. He wants to end democracy as we know it, and there are still people stupid enough to think he should run the place.

SMH.

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