Marvel Studios

It's... our responsibility as viewers to "offer something better"? I'm not a movie maker, I'm a fan. I'm rooting for Marvel. But I also recognize that they've made billions of dollars off these movies. And that they've gotten complacent and as a result the quality and direction has gone downhill. They're not owed our money for throwing something on screen...

The idea that anything is impervious to criticism if the person criticising can't offer something better is bizarre. Its perfectly fine to criticise something.

I don't know enough about the inner workings of Hollywood to comment on the idea that Marvel is a big part of the Hollywood ecosystem aside from thinking that I'm pretty sure movies - great movies - existed before Marvel started making movies and that its surely a concern that Marvel have so much power that their failure affects smaller movies from being made. That doesn't sound healthy at all.

Really confused what he expects here, give a free pass to bad films? Go see a film multiple times even if we didn't enjoy it? As it's mass repeat ticket sales that pushes films well over the $1bn mark And that's the expectation here with the bloated budgets of these mid card films. Make out own films with he hundreds of millions we have lying around?

I get nobody sets out to make a bad big budget film but you have budgets of hundreds of millions, do better. Start employing people for talent rather than who they related to or who they know. Start by not treating your audience with contempt with cookie cutter scripts, lazy characterisation, and more plot holes than plot.

If people are "upset" about the MCU, it's because of how much they like it and how they want it to be better than it's become. And the idea that fans could "offer something better", given Disney's team of lawyers and copyright protections, is laughable. Like what, are fans going to film their own MCU movies & shows? The only thing we can offer is snarky comments on the internet, that's all we're allowed to do without getting sued, and I'm sure even that will be taken away from us within the next 10 years.

Lol. Fans and critics aren't creators. Don't ask them to do your job better than you are.

...oh wait - if you do try, we'll sue you into oblivion and nuke any trace your creation from orbit - too baaaaaad~

Easy to say when you have a monopoly on the IP and a penchant for litigation. You'd think the biggest media conglomerate in the world could turn out something decent, but when they have a near-monopoly, why would they bother?

yeah if you don't like it just make your own big budget film.

Man who's career depends on thing is supportive of thing. I for one and SHOCKED and UPSET that someone could like something they have an active financial and creative part in. Does he not know super movies bad???

A: fuck you, Sebastian B: turns out I don’t work on Hollywood, and it’s not my job to provide alternatives C: fuck you again, and fuck Marvel

Damn bitch it's just entertainment.

What big hole? The hole that has been swallowing most funding at the expense of other movie genres? 20 years is long enough.

The more well known something is, the more criticism it will receive. Also with movie prices going up and Disney reminding everyone each year how little they care about fans, it's not a surprise people have cooled on their decade old properties.

They are also spending more to make objectively less exciting projects. When the first Avengers movies were coming out it was impressive how well they brought comics to life. It's not impressive any more with so many examples, so they aren't pushing the bounds of expectations anymore. They have to wow people now with writing and performances.

I think the decision makers are also making more diversity choices (in the wrong way) and have the PR teams talk too much about how proud they are of their DEI choices instead of how they like the movie they made.

Black Nick Fury is best Nick Fury. Black Panther was incredibly well received. I felt like Moonknoght was better received than I was expecting. Miles Morales was a very popular Spiderman iteration. So I don't think it's just racism.

They just need to acknowledge who's actually buying tickets. It sometimes feels like the same complaints people make about the WNBA not making a bunch of money.

So there are two parts of this interview that look to be pushed together.

The first being about offering something better, which seems to be more focused on the Martin Scorsese crowd. Which I think is fair criticism. There are many different ways to make movies and there are many different types of films.

The second is can feedback. I'm sure as an actor it's frustrating to make a film or TV show that perhaps sounds great on paper, but ends up less good that you'd hoped. Now for Sebastian Stan and Bucky, I don't think his character has suffered this problem yet. Maybe Falcon and the Winter Soldier could have been better, but I think Bucky's story was told well. However I could see Anthony Mackie getting shit on, or the overall show receiving poor ratings, and him taking it personally. Or the other shows that did end up coming out poorly.

Love the Tropic Thunder namedrop.

There's a whole bunch of wicked book series you could turn into a great franchise, there's also an entire comic book industry beyond DC/Marvel you could pull from, or you could use that creative skills you all apparently have and create your own franchise, you know, how we used to do things before you lot worked out it was easier to pump out a bunch of subpar superhero movies, there's only like 6 marvel movies people actually liked and 3 of them are Deadpool

The people who star in those movies could single handedly keep them afloat if they so desired. If the fanbase is waning it's because you're doing something wrong.