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“That son of a bitch, Bibi Netanyahu, he’s a bad guy,” said Biden privately, according to Woodward. “He’s a bad fucking guy!”

Reads like a bloody Onion article.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 158 points 1 week ago (3 children)

"But we'll still give him whatever he wants. That AIPAC there frightens me"

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 97 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Literally...

This comment didn't happen yesterday, it was months ago. And Biden still hasn't changed.

And it still hasn't stopped Bibi from pushing for trump

There is literally no benefit for loyalty to a facist government, the second you're not 100% with them you're 100% against them. It's the same way trump acts

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[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 85 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

AIPAC and Citizens United are actually frightening.

https://abcnews.go.com/538/pro-israel-groups-spent-big-oust-squad-members/story?id=113675889

https://apnews.com/article/cori-bush-aipac-house-race-missouri-568c1a84974b8ba176a8d27a8375de42

They are able to change the outcome of races with seemingly unlimited money. A spend of 8.4 million in a Missouri primary is absurd, and likely is a drop in the bucket of what is spent influencing the presidential race.

I don't think there is a way to fix this either, since the people that should be writing laws to prevent it are the ones benefiting the most.

I imagine this is also happening in Republican primaries, so one can't just vote differently to address the root cause. Both republicans and Democrats seem to be tripping over each other to prove what a friend they are to Israel. It's really weird and stressful to be a US citizen right now.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It’s really weird and stressful to be a US citizen right now.

I can't even begin to express how stressed I've been over this.

Anyone that has the misfortune of recognizing they've been encountering my comments of pure exasperation lately will attest to that...

I'm generally a pessimistic person, but I truly believe Trump is going to win this and the heritage foundation is going to be able to implement their plan to solidify control of the government.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 148 points 1 week ago (99 children)

Maybe stop sending them billions in weapons then, eh?

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

In an election year? That's political suicide in the US to Harris by proxy, given how many people are brainwashed over there.

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[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

More lies to make the rubes think he is against the genocide. He has done this many times before and its always utterly meaningless.

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[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 65 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can we stop reporting on Biden or whoever else using salty language unless it’s something along the lines of “I’m cutting off the fucking military aid.”?

[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

That won't happen, both parties are bought out by AIPAC, just AIPAC will stop splitting the money and give it only to the one who doesn't give them what they want. If a Democrat president said "I'm ending this here, enough bloodshed" AIPAC would fund the Republicans, despite how much Republicans hate Jews, quietly and publicly.

I'm not trying to defend the literal actual genocide, I'm trying to say the money makes them keep their hands flowing with greenbacks and blood of civilians.

EDIT: The two below, I blocked you before two for being liberals who have defended genocide and argue that somehow Democrats need to support the genocide and its a good thing that AIPAC owns both parties. Mainly soup is a troll who acts smarter than everyone else.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago

said Biden privately

You literally just gave a fucking press conference.

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This country is 1,000,000 Onion Articles in a trenchcoat.

[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

In a trenchcoat, naked, flashing children in a schoolyard, yes.

[–] forrcaho@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

I don't know how he would ever have expected anything different from Netanyahu. It's not like this is the first time he failed to show the "restraint" Biden pleaded for (while simultaneously providing him with an unlimited supply of weapons).

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (31 children)

The logical conclusion in the face of Biden's other actions such as keeping on sending weapons to Netanyahu and protecting him in the UN, is that this "leak" is a purposeful and carefully crafted bit of PR from Biden's team.

By their own track record, Biden and his minions are about as trustworthy as Netanyahu.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

No shit, Joe!

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I like Joey for a lot of things, but his handling of Israel is not one of them. The words simply don't match the actions. They might decry Israel's actions but quietly they're giving them the go-ahead.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

When this originally leaked months ago (almost a year actually), people were getting down voted for saying Biden was just mad that Netanyahu was making him look bad in PR.

put up or shut up motherfucker.

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

A "bad guy!" My word, Mr. President, what next, we'll stop sending them money? Have some decorum.

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Nice to know that he at least can acknowledge reality?

But behind it is a state dept that is ignoring it's own studies rank indictment of isreals murderous actions in order to keep feeding the beast. Maybe it's some far-flung plan to give isreal and netenyahoo all the rope they need to hang themselves, becoming global outcasts, which would then force them into accepting a two-state solution... Or the problem is a lot simpler.

The records and interviews also show that the pressure to keep the arms pipeline moving also comes from the U.S. military contractors who make the weapons. Lobbyists for those companies have routinely pressed lawmakers and State Department officials behind the scenes to approve shipments both to Israel and other controversial allies in the region, including Saudi Arabia. When one company executive pushed his former subordinate at the department for a valuable sale, the government official reminded him that strategizing over the deal might violate federal lobbying laws, emails show.

Weapons sales are a pillar of American foreign policy in the Middle East. Historically, the U.S. gives more money to Israel for weapons than it does to any other country. Israel spends most of those American tax dollars to buy weapons and equipment made by U.S. arms manufacturers.

Don't forget, while Biden and his state dept. is in charge of investigating and ensuring the proper use of these weapons, it's congress that's approving it. A congress that is balls-deep invested in U.S. weapons manufacturers.

For Israel and NATO allies, if the sale is worth at least $100 million for weapons or $25 million for equipment, Congress also gets final approval.

The most widely held defense contractor stock among senators and representatives is Honeywell, an American company that makes sensors and guiding devices that are being used by the Israeli military in its airstrikes in Gaza. The second most commonly held defense stock by Congress is RTX, formerly known as Raytheon, the company that makes missiles for Israel’s Iron Dome, among other weapons systems. - Sludge Article

[–] SecretSauces@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I am firmly of the opinion that there is SOMETHING Israel has over the US that is probably super classified and super damning. Why else would BOTH parties, in one of, if not THE most influencial voting season in our country, agree on supporting Israel?

For how much the Republicans stand with Israel (and how many actually don't care about genocide since pretty much every Neo-Nazi is Republican), it should be the BIGGEST soft-ball issue to run on for Dems to oppose, being the party of "the rights of the people". But they have the presidency and continue supplying weapons to them for their war engine. No matter how many words are said, actions speak louder.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You're absolutely right.

It's religion. The Jews are in Israel. The Jews are the "chosen people". Religion is retarded and it MAKES people retarded. That's what they've got. Every American moron who is overtly Bible thumping or not is a vote in jeopardy if anybody says boo against Israel.

Religion was great when it was driving human progress around AD 1000, now it's a fucking anchor slowly drowning us all.

Prayer does not empirically improve conditions of people who are sick. The most xtian countries in the world are the worst off by basically every metric. And yet, this brain cancer survives. Luckily we have flax_vert to convert us all or make us want to jump off our local bridge.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They are the US intelligence operation in the middle east. They are an attack dog for the things the US finds important, meaning they agree with us on economic operations, and will go to war to protect it. Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc. These are all just countries who are willing to actively work in the economic interests of the US as it benefits them. This allows the US access to their intel, to put military facilities in their countries, to use new weapons systems through their conflicts. They protect the standing of the petrodollar.

The US doesn't give a shit if a tiny, powerless, economically insignificant population, or a thousand, get wiped out. Preserving US domination is more important to the US government, and states like Israel will kill anyone in pursuit of that status quo. The only people they would need to have black mail on are government actors who aren't willing to support them, there are not a majority of those, yet.

[–] Maeve@midwest.social 2 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Seeing what we did to Assange, Manning, Snowden and others, it's not exactly encouraging.

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

When do politicians realize that Israel needs the US a whole lot more than the US needs Israel?

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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 week ago

The fuck was he expecting?

[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (32 children)

The israelis cooperate with Bidens fake "leaks" as well, and pretend to be "upset". As long as the arms keep flowing and the American youth and left is held down-- thats all that matters. While I loathe Trump, captured by Russia and murderous corruption, I also loathe Biden, a lifelong racist misogynist liar bought and paid for by the zionists. Both are also idiots putting on a pretty transparent show. The fact that many americans eat it up and accept it as normal doesnt speak well of us as a people. The western order is truly dead and buried.

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[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Now say it in public and act accordingly.

Defend Israel, but not Netanyahu's government.

[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago (11 children)
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