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A man with a facial disfigurement says he was asked to leave a restaurant in south London because staff said he was "scaring the customers". 

Oliver Bromley has Neurofibromatosis Type 1, a genetic condition that causes non-cancerous tumours to grow on his nerves.

Speaking to the BBC, he said when he had gone to place an order at a restaurant in Camberwell, staff told him there had been complaints about him.

"It's a horrible thing to happen. I took it very personally on the day," he said.

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 27 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (5 children)

It seems that some British hate handicapped/disfigured people. Just read this article about a kid in a wheelchair being excluded from the school photo. https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/mar/29/aberdeenshire-pupils-with-complex-needs-erased-from-school-photo

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/04/school-photos-disabled-children

or people complaining about seeing a tv host with a missing arm. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/feb/21/tv-presenter-cerrie-burnell

It's just good old British Classism that never went away.

[–] MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network 9 points 11 hours ago (6 children)

Don't all countries have this problem?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Maybe it's just where I was raised, but I don't see this at all in my day to day life in the US. Things have come a very long way.

I'm sure there are still things that are shitty that I probably wouldn't notice as I'm not in that position... But in general, most people here don't seem to give a shit these days.

To be clear, I'm not referring to classism. That still exists to a degree, though it's mostly been supplanted by racism.

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Oddly enough Australia is one of the most accepting countries I’ve been in when it came to PWD. Elevators for every train platform and if one broke they fixed it straight away. They also didn’t exclude lower income people no where near as much as they do in the US, Canada or UK.

That said, the way they treat women, First Nations and POC or just about anyone who isn’t australian leaves much room for improvement.

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[–] CaptainCancel@sh.itjust.works 142 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I’ll take a restaurant full of disfigured people over 1 misbehaving toddler.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 5 points 16 hours ago

Plot twist, the restaurant full of disfigured people are toddlers.

[–] IMALlama@lemmy.world 37 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

As a parent of younger kids, we're sorry. We come armed with as many activities as possible and will take our kids outside if they're too excited until food gets to the table. That will help them focus on eating.

We very rarely went out to eat when they were toddlers due to fear of our kids bothering others and understand that our desire to experience some level of normalcy shouldn't come at the expense of others.

All that said, if the parents are trying to keep their kids occupied, please extend some grace. Being a parent can be extremely isolating and we're simply trying to pretend like we still get to do normal things once in a while.

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 26 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

This is fine, and we thank you for your efforts.

What were talking about here is a rogue crotch spawn running around or under tables, occupied or not, and generally acting like they're in their own living room rather than a shared community space.

Honestly IMO if you can keep them at the table, I can put up with the noise. Sure, it's annoying, but so are kids. It's a package deal. And everyone was a kid at one point in time and therefore has no excuse to complain too loudly. That's reserved for when I have to drag a screeching rug rodent out from under my chair and haul it back to the absentee sperm and egg donors.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 116 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t want to look at that while I was eating… SO I WOULD AVOID STARING AT HIM. Complaining about the guy is not the answer. Self control and respect are.

[–] Klanky@sopuli.xyz 79 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The article says he thinks there wasn’t enough time for someone to complain, the restaurant staff was using it as an excuse.

“He said: "After entering I noticed a cash-only sign, so went straight back outside to withdraw my money.

"I went back into the restaurant to place an order, and they told me to 'please leave', because in their words I was 'scaring the customers', and there had been complaints about me."

He added: "There had not been enough time between the time I had been there first, and the time I went back, for anyone to have made a complaint about me so obviously the restaurant staff were not happy with the way I looked." “

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 20 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Yeah, I read the article. I was just imagining a hypothetical situation where he and I were eating in the same restaurant.

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[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 134 points 1 day ago (18 children)

Then don't look at him? The man was just trying to eat. Poor guy.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 23 hours ago

I feel so bad for this guy. Imagine the shit he has to put up with all the time. I used to work with a lady who had a big tumor on her face. She was so sweet, but I'm sure she had to put up with all kinds of horrible shit. I honestly really liked her. I would have asked her out if I hadn't been in a relationship because we got along really well. I don't care if you have a big tumor on your face. I'll get used to it after I've seen you for more than a minute or two.

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[–] Hubi@feddit.org 228 points 1 day ago (3 children)

He said they had told him that although it was a hate crime, it was "unlikely" officers could pursue it further.

That's messed up.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 141 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Welcome to British policing.

"We have determined that this was indeed a hate crime, and therefore we'll be doing nothing. But if it happens two more times we'll congratulate them on the hat trick and offer to enroll them in the police academy."

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 32 points 1 day ago (4 children)

America learned everything we know from England.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

I mean, the sad part is that Britain policing started out with some really good ideas. It's actually worth reading Robert Peel's principles of policing by consent sometime. They are an incredible blueprint for how to create a police force that serves the people.

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 20 points 23 hours ago

Living in Europe I have to constantly remind ppl that American racism is just European racism with better access to guns

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[–] JustARegularNerd@lemmy.world 21 points 18 hours ago

The paragraph after is golden:

The Met confirmed to the BBC that officers had visited Mr Bromley about the incident and that although no arrests had been made, the force took "reports of hate crime seriously".

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 96 points 1 day ago

I know judging people on their appearances isn't right, and he shouldn't have been kicked out regardless of what he looked like.

... but it doesn't even look that bad? Like, "I've got one eye and a skin condition", is that really what the restaurant is willing to kick people out for?

Hope he gets some sort of justice out of this.

[–] suburban_hillbilly@lemmy.ml 96 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some people are just determined to make it difficult to believe humanity is worth saving.

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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 63 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Whats the UKs disability rights laws look like? Hope he takes em to task for their discrimination.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 day ago (6 children)

On paper, the Equality Act 2010 is great in a bunch of ways. In practice, it's exceedingly difficult for the average person to pursue justice through it. I imagine the barrier is similar to how it works in the US, except the UK has way less of a litigation culture.

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[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 58 points 1 day ago

See, Britain just needs Ugly Laws, like what America had up until 1974! Then they could just have the guy arrested!

In all seriousness what the fuck. What goes through a person’s head that they think treating someone that way is even remotely okay?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 56 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

They don't want to look at that guy's ugly face? I bet it looks nicer than their ugly minds.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 day ago

That's fucked.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 18 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That's just horrible. And wtf is this "Yes it's a crime but what can we do?" bullshit. Man I feel sorry for that guy. No body deserves to be treated that way. He just wanted to have a nice night out. Fuck that restaurant.

[–] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 38 minutes ago* (last edited 36 minutes ago)

It's 1000% a human rights violation. There are proper channels. Don't think police can do anything. The police even called it a hate crime, which it is not, because kicking someone out of a restaurant, regardless of the reason, isn't a crime in and of itself.

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