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Rockstar Games' servers have been under heavy fire from massive DDoS attacks in recent days, causing widespread login and connectivity issues for players of GTA Online. These attacks come in the wake of Rockstar’s recent implementation of BattlEye, a new anti-cheat system designed to crack down on in-game cheating, sparking backlash from a segment of the player base. Protesters, unhappy with the new system, have resorted to using distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks to disrupt the servers, escalating tensions between the gaming giant and its community.

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[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 303 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (25 children)

According to Mutahar:

  1. The Anti Cheat has already been bypassed by a free cheat menu on Windows.

  2. He's fairly sure he has figured out some kind of way to temporarily bypass (as in, it'll probably get caught in a few weeks) the linux block by some kind of custom virtualization method (requiring only one GPU) that he says he may explain in detail at some point.

In general, he's done with playing GTO.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eMSagozpKPs&pp=ygUSbXV0YWhhciBndGEgb25saW5l

But yeah, obligatory reminder for BattleEye and EasyAntiCheat games that refuse to allow linux play:

All these game devs have to do is flip a switch, click a few options in their developer portals, to allow BattleEye or EAC to work on linux, through Proton.

And its been that way for 3 years, since 2021.

There is literally no reason for games that use these services to not work on linux, the devs just don't fucking care.

[–] scaramobo@lemmynsfw.com 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Dont blame developers. It's never developers that make decisions. It's the management, the shareholders, the project manager, the product owner, the whatever-mba-dipshit on top. But never the developers. They just execute and comply and if they refuse, they're let go. A developer is a fleshy code printer. A resource. They don't have real power. They're a factory worker. Remember that. Don't blame the worker, blame the boss.

Source: i'm a professional software developer.

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[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 67 points 3 days ago (26 children)

Don't buy games with invasive user-side anti-cheats that hamper performance, and demand refunds on any game that adds it after purchase.

I don't understand why this is so hard for people. If everyone gave a shit, we could end this. But instead, people would rather just complain while still forking over the money to these companies.

There are so many good indie games without this kind of bullshit. We have better choices.

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[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 83 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Can't release a sequel or single player update in a decade - can impose cheat engines. Something about a surprised pikachu when they get flak

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 83 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

Stop making every fucking game and open world mmo wanna be. Bring back single player with couch co op or make private lobby setups so we don’t have to fuck with every douche who wants to make everyone else’s life as sad as their own. I’m a big GYA fan but have refused to buy for this specific reason. Have almost given in repeatedly but just go watch some YouTube’s on it and it reminds me not to contribute to this shit every time.

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[–] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's disgusting! Where do those criminals gather, so I could go an express my utter disappointment to them directly?

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[–] polle@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Iam out of the loop. What kind of cheats are available in gta online? Edit: or what was available.

[–] Khrux@ttrpg.network 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The most common cheat is probably gaining money or experience, but there have always been pretty extensive mod menus for GTA Online with tools from invincibility to making your vehicles rainbow, to randomly causing other players to explode or setting hundreds of muggers on them.

In 2015ish, I used to cheat, other than getting rich, all I was interested in doing was making an indestructible chrome bus with smoke trails that I'd drive around picking up players in, to teleport us all to North Yankton and back like a tour guide.

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[–] Ironfacebuster@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I'm conflicted here

On one hand, I play GTA Online, and the amount of hackers is getting out of hand. Most are chill, some are extremely annoying and blow up everyone in the lobby with 800 million explosions a second. In this case, I'm annoyed that I can't play it and glad there's anti cheat.

On the other hand, I didn't realize that BattlEye would prevent Linux users from playing entirely. I'm not a Linux user (yet) myself, but that really sucks. Also, rockstar is extremely predatory with the shark cards (it was worse with Red Dead Online!) so they do kinda deserve it as some form of karma for being terrible

Edit: EAC -> BattlEye

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago

On the other hand, I didn't realize that EAC would prevent Linux users from playing entirely.

For the most part any game that "won't run on linux" totally would if it wasn't for the anticheat not working (or being supported) on linux, that's usually the downfall. For instance Destiny runs fine, but if they see you're using linux they ban your acct because fuck you that's why. Tbf, even if the anticheat would work it's usually kernel level spyware that linux users mostly refuse to run, so eh.

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[–] MoogleMaestro@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 days ago

I really hope they don't find a way to blame the linux community for this. Even if we hate kernel level anti cheat, I think most of us were happy with the refund from Valve lol

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

As someone who is pretty old and is a crap gamer - well firstly I only play single player so I guess it wouldn't effect me. But what's the problem with anti cheat? Aside from it being code you don't want on your machine. I dunno, I don't get why people cheat. Isn't it a better feeling when you just play and get good?

Edit - I'm not defending rockstar btw. Don't know the politics here. In fact last game I enjoyed was vice city on the PS2. I'm trying to hey caught up on everything I missed. But yeah, what's the problem with anti cheat?

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

Aside from it being code you don’t want on your machine. I dunno, I don’t get why people cheat. Isn’t it a better feeling when you just play and get good?

I've done some cheating on GTAO, so I can speak to this a bit.

For me, the next biggest reason after the one you listed is that their game is grindy as fuck. I want to be able to play with the cool vehicles and toys in the game, but they're locked behind hours and hours of grinding, even just for a single item. I understand some people like that, but it's not for me. But it's also not just grinding that's the problem. Their loading screens in the game are frequent, slow (1-5 minute of loading each), and are filled with shitty crews that make it impossible to do the missions.

So back when I used to play I had a script that would just give me shit loads of money. I could buy what I wanted, have fun, and move on. Games are for fun, not for feeling like they're a second job.

What's worse, is that Rockstar intentionally makes it grindy so you're motivated to steal your mom's credit cards and use real world money to buy fake world money that lasts you about 20 minutes. It's very scummy behavior, and cheating is a way to get around that.

The script kiddies that just like to fuck with other people are a whole other can of worms. Those people can get bent.

[–] squidspinachfootball@lemm.ee 15 points 2 days ago

Ethical cheating? Nice. I can get behind that.

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[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

Aside from it being code you don’t want on your machine

Code you don't want on your machine, that have sometimes more permissions than you yourself have on your own files, is completely opaque, and have the legitimacy to keep constant outgoing network data that you can't audit.

Yes, aside for that, no reason at all. No problem with a huge risk on your privacy for moderate results that don't particularly benefit you in the long run.

(and all that is assuming that they're not nefarious to begin with, which is almost impossible to prove)

[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

If you play in Linux assuming this game even runs on Linux. Good chance they will ban you from running this game on that OS. They could allow it but most companies see Linux as a minority and will mostly willing to take the hit of blanket banning the whole OS. I guess Steamdecks would be out of question now. Another is security risk this kind of anti cheat tend to be invasive they have access to your kernel, the part of the OS that has access to everything on your system. If that thing is compromised good chance you'll be affected also if you have that in your system. Think of something like crowdstrike issue.

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