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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 152 points 5 days ago (5 children)

They deserve credit for warning everyone about a situation people might not have realized was dangerous. Damn.

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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 121 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

“I eat relatively healthy”

“Sometimes my only food in the entire day is peanut butter”

[–] elxeno@lemm.ee 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

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[–] Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 98 points 5 days ago (6 children)

A few people are in here saying a pound or two a week is an unreasonable amount of peanut butter.

But when you buy peanut butter it comes in a 1-2 pound jar. If it's your main source of protein, your favorite comfort food, or you have a poverty pantry, then I could totally see how you might think that one jar a week isn't too bad.

Two pounds of peanut butter is about 6000 calories, or three days of energy for the average person. It shouldn't be the main staple in your diet, as OPs doctor will attest, but it doesn't seem strictly unreasonable.

I wonder how gourmet or homemade "nothing but peanut" butter compares to something like Kraft that's loaded with sugar. Probably still not super great, but hey, maybe it's better. Or maybe it's worse. Eat a variety if you can.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 48 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Eating peanuts or peanut butter for protein is weird because it's wayyyyyyyy higher in fat. Don't eat it for protein, it's a fat source really.

[–] Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Y'know, that's an interesting point.

I blame our nutritional education. I grew up with the Food Pyramid (now debunked), and peanut butter would be considered a "meat alternative" which I think people conflate with being a source of protein.

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

That's not how it was taught. Maybe that's how you learned it. Peanut butter and peanuts were on the bottom row with vegetables, not a meat sub.

https://peanut-institute.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/pyramid-med.jpg

That's a very different food pyramid from the one that I was taught at least. The 90s/2000s food pyramid made no distinction between different kinds of meats but did make a distinction between grains, fruits, and veggies, with grains as the base of the pyramid.

[–] Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Your food guide looks different than mine. Notably, yours has a distinction between meat, poultry, and seafood where mine are all lumped in as one category that also includes legumes.

For what it's worth, I believe this guide has been fully discredited. There was a considerable amount of lobbying to present certain foods prominently.

[–] DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago

That's the one I'm familiar with. Funny what happens when a country and province is hugely invested in dairy farming and then their kids are taught in schools to consume large amounts of dairy to be healthy.

[–] skibidi@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I agree, but at least nuts are high in unsaturated fats, which have some rather solid clinical backing as being healthy. Obviously still energy-dense, and if nuts are used a primary protein source it will likely be difficult to stay within a restricted caloric budget.

E.g. if you want to follow the government recommendation and have 20% of your calories come from protein, peanuts will fall short as only 18% of their calories are sourced from protein (79% from fat). 349 grams of peanuts (about 3/4 of a pound) has 2000 calories and 91 grams of protein - with 175 grams of fat.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I've always heard that peanuts were kind of the last option you'd want to pick among nuts, specifically because they're so high in saturated fats (about 20% of the fat content). They're not bad per se, but there are much better options.

Still, they're a great source of added protein and unsaturated fats, but like you said, don't rely on them as your primary source.

[–] skibidi@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

You are definitely better of snacking on peanuts than, say, Doritos. It's not that they are a bad food, they just don't have a great macro balance if they are the major component of a diet. From this unvetted comparison they don't seem to be too bad compared to other nuts.

If someone really wanted to get most of their calories from peanuts, they would probably want to supplement with something like pea protein powder and some high-fiber greens (or even beans). This would allow for keeping carbs relatively low while having a more even balance between fat and protein intake. Not quite keto, but not the typical high-carb western diet.

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[–] Clent@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (2 children)

This issue can occur when eating one food excessively for long periods. I distinctly recall this being covered in pre- college health classes.

A common urban legend was the girl who only ate carrots and turned orange.

[–] SacralPlexus@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago (2 children)

the girl who only ate carrots and turned orange.

I can confirm this is a real thing. When I was a kid my step-mother went on this fad diet that involved drinking carrot juice every day. It was this whole production where she bought a juicer and I remember multiple large bags of carrots coming in the house. There was always leftover carrot pulp in the trash, etc. Anyways she went wild with it for a time and sure enough her skin started turning slightly orange, mostly along her forearms where the skin was thin.

That’s when the carrot juice stopped.

So yeah she wasn’t an Oompa Loompa but it was definitely a visible change.

[–] OhmsLawn@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

My mom did the same thing. Sometime in the very late 80's to early 90s.

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[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (3 children)
[–] quinkin@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago

Colloidal silver?

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[–] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Oxalic acid is a normal part of the metabolic process. Your body literally creates it during digestion. Avoiding all oxalic acid intake is a nutrition myth and is basically impossible anyway. Fruits contain it, vegetables contain it, grains contain it. You eat it constantly. This person was already severely unhealthy if they gave themselves NAFLD and kidney stones. More likely the crap peanut butter OP was eating was full of preservatives and icing sugar and OP is probably chronically dehydrated.

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[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 58 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Oh my god

I did not know that could happen.

Time to find some other foods to replace my #1 go-to 😟

Fuck

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 42 points 5 days ago (11 children)

I can happen if you eat a fucking pound or two a week. Do you eat that much in a week as your comfort food?

[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 20 points 5 days ago

Yes I do

I’m boring, I like having meals that I don’t have to think about as options to lean on in the morning. Pb and toast is my default for a low effort, no-brain-power-required breakfast.

During my poverty days I ate that as my main source of calories in the day. At most I’d go through a 1lb jar in about 3 days, so like 2lbs a week back then.

These days I’m eating a plant based diet and have far more variety of foods I put in my face. I still go through a 1lb jar in ~1 week, unless I’m eating oatmeal or something else for breakfast for a stretch.

You know that ‘what’s one food you’d bring to a deserted island to eat forever’ question? My answer was always peanut butter. Have to rethink that now.

[–] MadBob@feddit.nl 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I genuinely think I've been eating about a pound a week for a while. 😐 Not amused.

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[–] JustAnotherRando@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Kidney stones fucking suck too. Note that there are more than just the calcium oxalate kidney stones, but for those ones in particular, other things high in oxalates that you might be eating that are high in oxalates: spinach, chocolate, tea, nuts, sweet potatoes.
So if you're trying to eat healthier, don't fully adjust to eating (breakfast) an oatmeal bake with nuts, peanut butter, and chocolate; (lunch) wraps using a spinach wrap and/or spinach instead of lettuce for the greens in it; and tea instead sodas... Unless you like the idea of Tylenol sized kidney stones.

[–] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

This happened to me, 11mm kidney stone. It's truly sucks.

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[–] zib@lemmy.world 40 points 5 days ago (2 children)

As someone who has always had a problem with calcium oxalate stones, I did not know peanut butter is so loaded with oxalates, so this is good information to have.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They cannot be eating relatively healthily if peanut butter is their only food for the whole day lol

[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 8 points 5 days ago

I’m shamelessly biased on this topic but I would say nothing but pb is healthier than nothing but ramen. At least that’s what I’m interpreting OP’s opinion on the matter of relatively healthy 😐

[–] spacesatan@lemm.ee 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

The quantity doesn't seem right to me, a normal american peanut butter jar is about 2 pounds. I feel like if the only thing you eat in a day is peanut butter that by itself would be about a half a jar right? Calories would put it at ~1/3 a jar for daily caloric intake but obviously you're going to overshoot if you're eating straight peanut butter. Half a jar in a week just doesn't sound that crazy to me, thats barely over 2 servings/day.

Also peanuts are low in oxalates compared to other nuts. The number I keep finding for a low oxalate diet is 100 mg/day. Apparently 200-300 is a typical amount. The highest number I found is 20mg of oxalate to a tablespoon of PB so 2 pounds a week is only 160mg/day unless I messed up the math.

*I think what happened here is OP is either predisposed to kidney stones and is generalizing the special diet they should be on to everybody else or is just overweight and leaving out that detail since everything I'm reading about NAFLD is that it's caused by obesity not oxalates.

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[–] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 16 points 5 days ago (8 children)

A pound of peanut butter per week sounds insane but apparently it's only like 2 cups and I feel like that's an edible amount. It's a lot but if I really got a hankering for some PB I could do that. But then after a week I would be over it. I feel bad for this person though that apparently they think eating nothing but PB is healthy. A human body needs a variety of different foods and nutrients and evidently eating nothing but peanut butter isn't that.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 16 points 5 days ago

A pound of peanut butter in a week is nothing; a pound of peanut butter a week, every week, on the other hand...

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[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Seems like you're good if you keep your peanut butter consumption under a fucking pound or two a week!

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[–] MadLegoChemist@startrek.website 20 points 5 days ago (3 children)

A pound of peanut butter is around 2600 calories. A pound of Nutella is about 2400 calories. Honestly not as bad as I thought initially.

1 to 2 pounds a week is 370 to 740 calories per day. Eating that much peanut butter for a week or so wouldn’t be too hard, but keeping that rate up consistently would be tough.

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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Apparently this can really happen.

our patient consumed an estimated five times the typical quantity of oxalate daily. She ingested approximately 150 g of almonds daily ... and six tablespoons (1/8 cup) of chia seeds ... which ultimately caused kidney injury.

150 grams is ~130 almonds, and the chia seeds weigh ~90 grams. I'm surprised it took only 240 grams (about half a pound) of nuts/seeds a day to get sick but that's still way more than most people eat and the relationship between dose and kidney disease isn't linear.

Normally, small amounts of free oxalate are absorbed by the stomach, distal small intestines and colon in humans.

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 5 days ago (3 children)

That doesn't seem like a lot. I've certainly gone extended periods eating more than 150g (~5.3 ounces) of nuts per day. I thought nuts were a healthy snack, and often my only breakfast is a bunch of cashews or almonds.

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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 14 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I didn't realize that too much peanut butter could be dangerous, but I also am confident that I am eating significantly less than 5,300 calories per week in peanut butter / peanuts. If you're churning through 2-3 standard jars of peanut butter a week, that's just absurd.

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[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Love that there's a peanut butter subreddit

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[–] Wiz@midwest.social 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I remember my grandmother who lived to age 98 told me about an "all-day sucker" - basically fill a spoon in peanut butter, and when it's done, fill it up again. Repeat all day. Can you tell she lived during the depression?

I didn't think much of it as a kid. Thought it was a pretty good idea. Then I learned about food sanitation practices, and reconsidered.

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[–] OhmsLawn@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

ITT: people underestimating the density of peanut butter

[–] Tenthrow@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (4 children)

There is nothing unhealthy about peanut butter (when I say that I mean ground peanuts, not the brands with an insane number of additives), but almost anything in extreme quantities can be toxic. Even water.

[–] batmaniam@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

The human body is meant for variety. It's wild that as much as we've learned about the absolutely insane importance of the gut microbiome it still comes down to "eat your vegetables".

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