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I had two Samsung flagship phones, one (S20FE) had an optical fingerprint reader and the other (S22) had an ultrasonic one. Both of them somewhat regularly failed to read my finger, were slower than a fingerprint reader on the power button and are more expensive/complex to build. They won't work with cheap 3rd party screen replacements and some screen protectors as well.

Meanwhile my $90 Android phone has a fingerprint reader on the power button. It never fails and I never have to perfectly place my finger on the sensor area to get it to work. It just seems like the perfect place to put a fingerprint sensor, so why do phone manufacturers keep using in-display fingerprint readers over the cheaper alternative?

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[–] Voltage@sh.itjust.works 20 points 9 hours ago (7 children)

Optimal fingerprint reader placement is on the back of the phone. You can just pick it up slide your finger on it and boom on to the home screen. Just want to see the time? Just press the power button and see the lockscreen.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

I'm mixed on this. I have had the S9 for 6ish years, since launch. I love that it's on the back. except having to pick it up to unlock it lol. so 80% of the time it's amazing, which I guess is good enough.

also, pro tip, add multiple finger prints, both thumbs, and index, etc. so you can unlock it in multiple grips and don't need a single finger available to get in.

[–] SolOrion@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 hours ago

Agreed completely. I have an S23 rn, but my previous phone was a mid-tier android with a fingerprint reader on the back. My natural resting grip on my phone would just unlock the thing. It was amazing. My current phone is a clear upgrade in every way except the fingerprint reader. My new one has it in the screen and I fuckin hate it.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

I deduce that your phone never randomly locks while you're using it as a satnav. Lucky you.

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[–] potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 29 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I don't know but I prefer fp sensors on the back of the phone because my fingerprint is also up there naturally.

[–] eronth@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago

Yes! I'm so sad they've moved away from this. I could pull out my phone AND unlock it in the same grab.

[–] corroded@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

I can't find a decent screen protector for my Galaxy S23, no matter how I try, and it's all due to the damned in-display fingerprint reader. Any adhesive-style screen protector has an open area for the fingerprint reader, and it's either a different material or a different thickness; they all look like shit. I've tried the screen protectors that use a UV-cured adhesive, and they're messy, difficult to apply properly, and generally a pain in the ass.

I've relegated myself to not using a screen protector at all, but considering my pocket lint scratches my screen, it sucks.

[–] FleetingTit@feddit.org 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I would hate that so much. The power button is for turning the screen off!

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[–] Ashiette@lemmy.world 39 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

I think the answer might be 'because of marketing'.

For me, I dislike both the power button AND the screen fingerprint reader. The power button because I like to access my lockscreen and not to be catapulted in the last app I was using ; the screen reader because it's messy and oftentimes doesn't work correctly. My newborn has been able to unlock my phone, multiple times...

What I really miss was the fingerprint reader on the back of the device. It was convenient, fast, precise and let me access the lock screen.

[–] DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Yep, the pixel 4a was my favorite phone in recent history, largely because of the rear mounted fingerprint sensor.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I had a 3a and thought I loved the rear reader, but apparently I have my phone flat on a desk or in a stand often enough that I really do prefer the front reader

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[–] Nightsoul@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

Why not just tap the screen of your phone to see just the lock screen? It's especially convenient my phone is sitting on my desk, just double tap

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[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 77 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

I miss when it was on the back, right around where you put your finger when you pick up the phone.

The underscreen one is a major downgrade and I gotta fumble with it a few times to get it to work, usually.

[–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 15 hours ago

My underscreen one is excellent and works 99% of the time. That still leaves it significantly worse than rear fingerprint sensor. RIP the best unlock method.

[–] Thavron@lemmy.ca 11 points 21 hours ago

Yessss. I had a Nexus 6P and the back fingerprint reader was amazing. Still probably the best phone I've had.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 21 hours ago

This so much! And it's eragonomic no matter which hand you use. My new phone has it on the power button and it's just ok. I miss having a rear touch sensor.

[–] WR5@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago

I have a Google Pixel 5 and it's in a great location for me. It's right where my thumb generally rests.

[–] MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

Biggest thing I miss about the old Pixels was this because you could swipe it to pull the notifications bar down. It worked system wide so you could during a game or video just pop it down to check time or settings and just flick it away without moving your hand to the top of the phone.

[–] Klaymore@sh.itjust.works 2 points 12 hours ago

It's great. I also downloaded DigiLux so I can swipe left and right to change brightness as well.

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 15 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I had a power button fingerprint reader in the past (Moto G7 Plus) and it wasn't great as I'm left-handed. My thumb ends up on the opposite side of the screen, so I had to use my index which isn't ideal.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 27 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Power buttons are often covered by cases and, since they're usually a weak spot for water proofing, it's more effective to have a case that fully covers the button. In-screen readers (like what I have on my Samsung A71) tend to be good enough most of the time.

[–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 8 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

It really depends on the sensor tech. The fingerprint reader in my pixel 7 pro is absolute dogshit. I've heard the pixel 9 line improves things though.

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 9 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Pixel 8 user here - the in-display fingerprint reader is fine, as long as my finger isn't super dry (which happens regularly). So I'm regularly licking my finger to unlock the device like some boomer that's used to doing it from turning pages in a book.

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[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I have a Pixel 7 Pro and have never had an issue. I don't have a screen protector on, if that makes a difference.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

I have a soft-protector, the one you need to apply with a small spray of alcohol, and the fingerprint reader works just fine for me.

Specifically, this one

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0B3CJHNZ5

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 3 points 18 hours ago

When I got the phone I also got one of the glass screen protectors, which was advertised as being extra thin for good touch sensitivity.

I shattered it trying to peel the plastic backing off, and never got around to getting a new one.

That one you linked looks like it would suit someone like me a bit better.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

My Pixel 6 never could read my right thumb, maybe 2% of the time. You know, the one used 99% of the time by a right handed person.

My Pixel 9 Pro Fold with the sensor in the power button has worked 99% of the time so far with all registered fingers in all manner of grips. Almost too good honestly, since it unlocks sometimes accidentally when picking it up.

That said, the rear sensor was still the best placement.

[–] FurtiveFugitive@lemm.ee 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

For a while, there was a patent on it, at least in he US. I remember having to root a Sony phone to enable the fingerprint reader on the power button about 10 years ago.

[–] Letme@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago (2 children)
[–] FurtiveFugitive@lemm.ee 2 points 21 hours ago

That's the one!

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[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 3 points 22 hours ago

Cause its cooler to not need to have a button uncovered.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 49 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

The S9 had the fingerprint reader centered on the back. It was awesome.

[–] Imprudent3449@lemm.ee 18 points 22 hours ago

Plus you could use it to drop down the notification window with a gesture. It was handy.

[–] Canadian_Cabinet@lemmy.ca 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

As did the Pixel 2. Still miss the back scanner

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[–] makyo@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago

Not an expert but I’d suppose it’s nothing more than marketing getting in the way and insisting on an over engineered solution because it’s flashy

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 12 points 20 hours ago

Wow, that is the opposite of my experience. I have only had problems with the power button fingerprint readers. My last three phones have used in-display readers, and that has been so much more reliable for me.

I do still use my Pixel Tablet, which uses a power button fingerprint reader for some reason, and I am constantly fighting with it.

[–] pycorax@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago

The fingerprint sensor on the power button isn't the main reason why I got my Fold 6 but it's such a small thing that sweetens the deal a lot. I absolutely detest screen based fingerprint readers.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

My Pixel 7 has the fingerprint reader behind the screen and it's awful. Unless you've got the greasiest fingers of anyone who ever lived, it fails to log you in.

Instead the face recognition kicks in, and then fails when you try to make a payment, asking for your fingerprint again.

It's fucking aggravating.

My crappy old Huawei thing has a separate panel for fingerprints and it never failed to work.

[–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The pixels from 6 to 8 use an optical fingerprint scanner, and optical scanners almost universally suck, because they use a tiny camera to see your finger through the display on your phone. Most phones including the pixel 9's include an ultrasonic fingerprint scanner, which is more reliable, faster, doesn't flashbang you in the dark, and has the potential to be much bigger (think lower half of the phone is the fingerprint scanner).

I haven't had trouble with under display fingerprint scanners since I had my S23 (ultrasonjc), but my previous has an optical one and it was the worst thing I'd used.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 33 minutes ago

I've used standalone optical readers before, and the ones that worked well had a slightly tacky rubbery-plastic layer on them, that I think helps with making the fingerprint stand out. Obviously can't do that on a screen, because it'd be weird.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

They said the same about the 6 but honestly it works pretty well for me most of the time.

Sorry, I have God fingers I guess. blessed by the finger maiden.

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[–] Banichan@dormi.zone 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Motorola does it on the power button

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