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My favorite quote:

While employees in the office might kill time messaging friends or flipping through TikTok, remote workers take advantage of being far from the watchful gaze of bosses to chip away at personal to-do lists or to goof off.

Nearly half of remote workers multitask on work calls or complete household chores like unloading the dishwasher or doing a load of laundry, according to the SurveyMonkey poll of 3,117 full-time workers in the U.S.

Oh noes, people actually doing things that are useful for their families instead of even more computer time.

It's insane that this is even considered strange or surprising. When I work from home, I take longer lunch breaks and I often stop working earlier, but I'm still three times as productive compared to sitting in an office.

At home, I actually get focused time to do something and think. At the office, this is extreamly difficult with all the distractions and noise constantly interrupting my train of thought.

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

There is a concept that companies and managers need to wrap their stupid brains around. And that is that they are paying for your work not your time. So long as you complete the jobs and tasks they ask of you and need from you it shouldn't matter what the hell you're doing otherwise.

But they're dumb Boomer infected brains have been programmed to expect people to sit in cubicles and offices like drones and stare at computer screens all day long. All so rich CEOs can walk through the building and feel more impressive.

P.S. obviously this is referring to salaried jobs not hourly jobs.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

It also comes from the fact that many jobs, and many more historically, are/were, in fact, paying you for your time. If you're fortunate enough to work in a job that doesn't care how much of your time is "company time," and you can work 5 hours a week to get everything expected of you done, that's great, but I would be quiet about it.

Any manager I've met would likely make a decision to give you 8x the amount expected of you each week, if that's your situation. That would indicate to me that we can find find someone less skilled that will take longer to complete objectives but we can pay significantly less, or we're not getting as much out of you as we're paying for.

Most people don't have the luxury you're describing, so I would hold on to that job situation!

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

If you're fortunate enough to work in a job that doesn't care how much of your time is "company time," and you can work 5 hours a week to get everything expected of you done, that's great, but I would be quiet about it.

Ok, first there are no jobs like this. Or, to be more precise, there are jobs like this but they are few and far between and are always in offices where you can make it look like it's taking a lot of time to get your work done while basically goofing off. And generally speaking they're hourly paid.

Salaried jobs, on the other hand, have a pretty rigorous work load. They don't hire people for a salary position without knowing how much work it takes to get the job done. So whether you are sitting in an office or sitting at your desk at home, the same amount of actual work is required. The only difference is that you don't waste hours getting dressed up and commuting to your job. This is why work from home arrangements tend to be far more efficient for both the worker and the company.

The reason these CEOs and managers are trying to force everyone back into offices is to justify their own egos and jobs. There is literally a ton of evidence that work from home jobs are way more productive than work from office jobs. But these egotistical douchebags don't care. They need to see people slaving away at a desk and to be seen walking through their expensive office buildings in order to feel like they are worthwhile.

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Me as a programmer

  • Exhausted working on something realizing I'm no longer being productive and stuck on a problem.
  • Decide to take a break and go empty the dishwasher
  • Comes back more refreshed and almost immediately solve the problem.

Edit: Side note - companies I worked at that had dishwashers also expected employees to take turns emptying it / loading dishes others didn't put in it.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

I once worked with a colleague within an academic setting for a EU wide project. We were understaffed. She constantly complained about how she works extra hours at home and on weekends. Well, my problem was she wouldn't let me work at work because she used at least 5 hours of the day to trash talk colleagues behind their back (including me when I was on sick leave or, probably, out to pee). Damn I wonder why she had to work that much after working hours.

[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago

If they're mad about people shopping while working from home I have bad news.

People shop from their phones while working at the job site too. I see several of my coworkers doing this frequently. Shit, I've done it.

Sure, we can't shower on site unless you're a firefighter or something, or have a gym at workplace, but still.

Employers need to reign in their power hungry bullshit. You don't own your employees, and if the work is getting done on time, you have nothing to complain about.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If people realized just how much overpaid goof off was going on in the business positions between Director of Whatever and CEO and Company President most workers would rip their bosses asunder and wear their heads as hats.

[–] exanime@lemmy.world 123 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Gotta love how the articles frames it. While at work people "kill time" with tik tok but at home they "goof off" folding laundry

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Corpo propaganda and normies larp it.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net -4 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I feel like they're just trying to use variety in their wording and either configuration would have upset you

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 57 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Sounds like they take micro breaks, which is not only healthy, but can help with productivity.

Is anyone complaining about this?

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

Managera who have nothing better to do

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[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 42 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Jokes on you, I shop and shower while at the office as well.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 points 2 days ago (4 children)
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[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 8 points 2 days ago

While employees in the office might kill time messaging friends or flipping through TikTok, remote workers take advantage of being far from the watchful gaze of bosses to chip away at personal to-do lists or to goof off

I could be at home rubbing one, trying to do a push up, or taking a nap in between calls. I'm stuck here pretending to look busy while shit posting or watching Youtube since everything is working. Think I'll play Minecraft after my smoke break. I miss work from home...

[–] superkret@feddit.org 179 points 2 days ago (4 children)

A good boss doesn't give a shit about whether the workers do other things during work time, as long as the work is done satisfactorily.

[–] Fester@lemm.ee 42 points 2 days ago

At my last office job, years ago when I was young and lived with my parents and had very few financial obligations, I would always ask to clock out and leave whenever I ran out of work to do for the day. It was always busy mornings and slow afternoons. My boss thought I was insane for not wanting to get paid to sit there and fuck around on Facebook (her exact words.) But to me it was worth losing $30-60 to gain back 3-6 hours of my personal life every week.

The boss and most co-workers were great, and the work wasn’t even bad when it was busy, but just physically being present there was soul-crushing.

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[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 126 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The first hour in the office was spent staring at the screen wiggling the mouse from time to time when the screen saver came on because too tired from commuting every day. But, it was at the office so it was productive staring I guess.

[–] coyootje@lemmy.world 67 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Haha it's so ridiculous that these articles never take into consideration that people in the office don't have a lot of productive time.

I had the same, I would have a somewhat easy first hour, then spend 2 to 3 hours really focusing and then I'd basically be done for the day and would spend some time idling after lunch until I deemed it was an appropriate time to leave and "work some more from home".

My best year billability wise was the first year of the covid lockdowns, I managed to generate something like 25% more just because of being able to work from home and cutting back on the travel time to customers and being able to multi-task occasionally when I had a quiet day for a customer. I'm glad I live in the Netherlands, hybrid/remote working seems like it'll remain over here at least.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And they they go on about the free flow of ideas, innovations and cooperation. Please, we were all sitting there with headphones trying to isolate ourselves to get anything done because some manager would always be on a loud phone call and using a meeting space to work was forbidden.

Driving to customers or flying to the other side of the world for a meeting was such a big time sink.

It also reminds me of the story of Rotterdam harbour where they just couldn't find any people anymore. Turns out that the cost of commuting was so high, people made more money doing lower paid work closer to home.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 14 points 2 days ago

Turns out that the cost of commuting was so high, people made more money doing lower paid work closer to home.

This is true for a lot of people everywhere. It's often ridiculous the amount of time and money lost from commutes that gets forgotten about.

For me commuting outside the city costs at least an hour of time every day, and $1+/hour in fuel weekly that I don't get paid. For me WFH is like a $1.50+/hr raise that is far more convenient and stress reducing than a better paying job.

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[–] kat_angstrom@lemmy.world 97 points 2 days ago (5 children)

And in the office there are people who literally hang out at the coffee machine for 30-60 minutes at a time, talking to everyone who comes by under the guise of "networking".

The media gotta stop reporting on the laundry like it's the equivalent of stealing from the company.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It’d be cool if the media did a piece about how companies are stealing the excess labor of their employees. It will never happen though because “the media” also steals the excess labor from it’s employees.

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[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 69 points 2 days ago (5 children)

You think that's bad, wait until you hear about the shareholders and landlords.

They dont even have to pretend to work to get paid.

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[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When I used to work in office:

  • Wake up at 7am, get ready to go and take a 1 hour commute in, usually there by 9:00
  • Try to find parking, walk to office, morning break room coffee and chatter, usually settle in around 9:30
  • Get interrupted multiple times by desk drive bys
  • Take 2 hour lunch around noon with multiple coworkers because why not
  • Get interrupted multiple times by desk drive bys
  • Leave at 4 to try and avoid some traffic

Now that I work from home:

  • Wake up and hop online to work, usually settle in by 7:30am
  • No desk drive by interruptions
  • Eat at my desk during meetings or while simultaneously working
  • Sometimes start laundry or something during the day, but who cares?
  • Usually work later than 5
[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Every time I get asked about going back into an office my response is "Why would you want me to be far less productive?"

So that we feel vindicated in actually owning your productive time. So that management can show they add value by watching you work.

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[–] halykthered@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If anything, one should absolutely take care of mundane tasks with downtime between productive tasks. If their workflow allows for short breaks, it doesn't make a difference to the employer if nothing is done or an unrelated task is done.

They pay people to complete tasks for their corporation. They don't own the worker's bodies or minds due to the virtue of providing a paycheck.

This concept of whole ownership of people really is baked into US social consciousness.

[–] door_in_the_face@feddit.nl 14 points 2 days ago

I can even imagine that some household chores can be done while "actively" working, like when you're in a call and just listening to the other parties.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah the US is a sick country. They think money and power is the meaning of life. And it's very obviously not.

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[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

Fuck this corporate propaganda.

Work from home and be happy.

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