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[–] Jarmer@slrpnk.net 141 points 1 week ago (2 children)

so many people left reddit and fled to discord. So sad. Discord was ALWAYS going to enshittify itself to death, but okay people.

[–] Rayspekt@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As a forum-like community like Reddit it was always shit to begin with.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Still light years ahead of FB groups tho

[–] Rayspekt@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

That's not the biggest accomplishment.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Man, you should have seen forums at hobby sites, etc in the times before Reddit/Digg...

[–] Rayspekt@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

At least those forums store information in threads. Discord is just an endless stream of blabber.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 10 points 1 week ago

Agreed. Or worse: for documentation!

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

Was looking into some FOSS tools, the ones that say discord I automatically skip, imo it’s not future proof.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 110 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm surprised they didn't put a time limit on the storage since they are not a file hosting platform.

[–] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Honestly, I've always been surprised they allow any direct file transfers, instead of having to use external links.

[–] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I find it weird that they upload content to their own servers even when you provide them with an external link.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

They want the data

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[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 91 points 1 week ago

Dammit now I have to reduce the block size of my discord-based cold storage filesystem.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 81 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They should've never increased the size to 25MB. Now everyone is mad they can't upload files larger than 10MB, instead of being happy that Discord allows free file sharing up to 10MB.

That's why you need to keep free product features and small and useless as possible; people will happily take improvements but complain to hell and back if you accidentally overcommit.

Meanwhile most Lemmy servers have an upload limit of what, a megabyte?

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 35 points 1 week ago (19 children)

Most Lemmy servers don't relentlessly track and sell everything you do though. Discord makes way more money off your data than it costs them to host.

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[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 70 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The enshitification is progressing nicely!

[–] pup_atlas@pawb.social 57 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I don’t see this as enshittification. It’s a real thing that’s happening, but raw storage is expensive. They pay for it directly. Unlike artificially limiting features that are “free” to them, this genuinely isn’t, it’s not even really super discounted for them on the backend. They’re likely just paying for a series of S3 buckets.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm a sys admin/devops engineer, and yes, storage is far more expensive then people realize.

This is the very definition of enshittification.

EDIT: To those downvoting:

Do you actually know what the definition of enshittification is? Apparently not.

Enshittification (alternately, crapification and platform decay) is a pattern in which online products and services decline in quality. Initially, vendors create high-quality offerings to attract users, then they degrade those offerings to better serve business customers, and finally degrade their services to users and business customers to maximize profits for shareholders.

It doesn't matter that the cost of storage is a real thing. They gave things of value away for free to grow their user base and to try and capture network effects. Now that they think they have that they are taking away ( or decreasing ) the free stuff of value they gave away.

The fact that storage has value is literally an important part of enshitification.

It wouldn't be enshitification if they gave away free stuff that wasn't valuable.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s not enshittification because it literally doesn’t follow the second part of your own definition. Needing to change your offerings because your internal prices increase is normal business. Enshittification literally is from companies offering stuff to entice users and then they realize they have nothing else to offer to businesses, so they remove features in order to sell them to businesses or to increase ads.

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[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 62 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

Well that didn't last very long. It was 8 MB for like six years and then it just went to 25 MB maybe a year ago and now we're back down to 10 MB.

I'm surprised they aren't offsetting the cost by selling all our data to language learning models like everyone else is

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I’m surprised they aren’t offsetting the cost by selling all our data to language learning models like everyone else is

Hah. Hahaha. Hahahahahahaahahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Just to be clear, I 100% think they are selling our data. What I meant was I'm surprised they're concerned about the size of the uploads when they could just be selling the uploaded data.

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[–] 30p87@feddit.org 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And standard screenshots of my desktop are ~30mb, I was lucky to upload it lol

[–] B0rax@feddit.org 15 points 1 week ago (23 children)

What format are you saving them in? BMP? Try png.

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[–] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago

Look up the Discord Summaries BETA.

They already have "AI" monitoring all chats.

It would be "stupid" of them to not abuse that. (Unmorally stupid that is)

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Storage (and transfer and processing) has only ever gotten cheaper, but okay.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sure it's getting cheaper, but is it getting cheaper faster than their need for it?

I've always expected their business model was unsustainable probably only able to manage through venture capital and growth.

There's hardly even any competition, their free product is substantial. Even fully funding a server is barely enough to cover a bare metal node.

This is just the introduction to cost savings. As they wade into market saturation, and still need to provide growth in numbers they'll need to pinch the free users into paying and pinch the paying users into paying enough to fully fund the service. Of course it won't stop there...

Edit: FFS dictation can't 'their' it's way out of a wet paper bag.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

Yes but are your storage Managers doing anything? Going on long lunches and racking up bar tabs? Expensing escorts?

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Please discord die already

[–] MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Until a viable alternative is presented, I doubt Discord will die anytime soon. Part of the problem is people have a hard time accepting that even if you make the best meal in town, you've gotta get people to step inside before they'll try it. To an extent, this does involve winning a popularity contest of sorts if you want Discord to die.

I think often times folks are torn between enjoying a space/app as is, and making compromises to attract a larger group. IMO Linux has the same issue and that's part of why die hard fanboys get so aggressively defensive when this is brought up.

It's the software equivalent of being the bitter "nice guy" that simultaneously wants to attract a girlfriend (users) but is kind of an asshole to women. You might think you don't stink but please wear deodorant.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Yeah i also don't think it's dying hence the plea. But thing is, i don't want alternative. I want this shit to die so i never want to see "join our discord" spammed absolutely everywhere when i want to get some info on anything.

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[–] greatgizzards@new-reddit.jinomial.com 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They want to start charging for the malware they host.

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[–] MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 week ago (4 children)

If Discord was open source, I actually would not mind paying a fee for it. Fixed or reccurring, ideally the former. But that's never happening. And forget buying that Nitro thing.

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[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Discord's enshitification continues.

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[–] graphene@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They decreased it?? People always complain about max file sizes being too small.

Also, how is telegram able to offer 2 GB per file and 4 GB on premium? In comparison, that seems astronomical!

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I believe telegram manages that with severe upload and download speed limits, but Telegram has always been a bit shady, hasn't it? Who knows how they financially support all that.

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[–] Resol@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I gotta admit, I have no problem with introducing a completely new feature and locking it to paying members. But taking away an already existing feature from non-members, or limiting it in some way, is simply outrageous. They could've kept the upload limit at 25MB, and increased it for Nitro users to something like an entire gigabyte. This would've encouraged people to get Nitro. But lowering the upload limit for free users would just encourage them to leave and find an alternative (and the problem is that there aren't any viable ones because they aren't used as much).

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Revolt I love, but there's no federation or anything, and I won't be able to get anyone to switch unless they could join many servers from mine

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[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (6 children)
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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Maybe they should just delete their data every month. Holding 1 20mb file or 2 10mb files aren’t much different

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

I am fortunate enough to know how to set up VMs and use Linux, so I run my own IRC server with a web interface (TheLounge). I can set the upload limit to what I want and settled for 100MB. This way my friends and I are not at the mercy of some proprietary software.

I do pay for a dedicated server that I also use to host my games' servers and also a mumble server, but it's so worth it, just to have control over our stuff.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Easy fix, don't store any of it on the cloud. The client's PC has plenty more than 25MB

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