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  1. We're trying to improving working conditions and pay.

  2. We're trying to reduce the numbers of hours a person has to work.

  3. We talk about the end of paid work being mandatory for survival.

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[–] thurstylark@lemm.ee 309 points 2 months ago (4 children)
[–] moody@lemmings.world 108 points 2 months ago (2 children)

He's also ignoring the fact that if your job's responsibilities are mission-critical, chances are you have a contract which stipulates situations in which you can be contacted after hours. It's about Joe Schmoe IT guy being called in at 7pm while he's having dinner with his family and being told to come to work because Greg the assistant to the Sales VP forgot his password again. Greg can fuck right off until tomorrow morning.

The server going down at 2am is mission-critical and the guy in charge of it will definitely be answering that call to fix it.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Right, but he’s placing a subtle idea on people that wage theft isn’t a thing, overtime shouldn’t be a thing, and we shouldn’t have regulation for that. There’s a reason SREs get paid so much money, and it’s because it’s in their contract that they have to be the ones to rotate shifts and be up at 2am during an upgrade or otherwise, and he’s just mad he can’t pay everyone less and make more money

[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago

Just average capitalist things. Nothing to see here.

[–] neomachino@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

At my job we're expected to at least try to be available if needed after hours which in my 3 years here has happened once and it took about 30 minute and I waited until my son went to bed for the night.

In return we get to leave for doctors appointments, picking up kids, errands etc without having to use PTO or make up the time. It's a pretty sweet deal for the developers and no one abuses it to much.

At my old job they tried to get us to work after hours pretty frequently for a fraction of what our hourly rate was, we were salaried but when you broke it down you'd be getting like $20 an hour instead of $50. Ridiculous and almost no one did it.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 100 points 2 months ago

The only correct answer. Pay for that availability if needed around the clock.

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 163 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

If employees start ignoring their boss’s calls, texts, and emails outside of work hours, an after-hours emergency might have to wait until the next business day, which O’Leary finds unacceptable.

Did this fucking fascist consider hiring more staff and going 24/7? How is it the problem of salaried workers that their boss is too fucking cheap to hire enough people to get the level of support that he wants?

[–] assembly@lemmy.world 93 points 2 months ago

If your service needs to operate 24/7, then it needs to be staffed 24/7. If it doesn’t need to operate 24/7, then staff will resolve the issue during normal work hours. Most businesses have IT teams stagger their start time so that someone comes in early and can deal with issues that may have risen the night before and prior to other employees arriving.

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 44 points 2 months ago

I made this a few years ago, about 6 months before walking out on a job I'd had for 11 years.

Fuck all these sociopaths. Right in the ear. With a rusty spoon.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 30 points 2 months ago

And all these laws have carveouts for emergencies. Although I have a feeling Mr O'Leary would probably count having to do a presentation on Monday morning for some guy he met golfing over the weekend an emergency.

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[–] AtomicHotSauce@lemmy.world 128 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

“Who dreams this crap up?”

Working class people who make .5% what you do and don’t want to eat, sleep, and breathe work, you fucking fascist turd goblin.

EDIT: We have been informed by our team that our numbers above were off slightly. We apologize for the error and pledge to quintuple-check our math going forward.

[–] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 64 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Kevin O'Leary's annual income is reported at $40+ million. The average salary in the US is About $60k. The number you're looking for is 0.15%.

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[–] Rolando@lemmy.world 102 points 2 months ago (2 children)

When asked whether he ever encounters employees who silence their phones outside of work, O’Leary didn’t hesitate with his response: “The next moment is — I just fire them.”

TBH they're better off.

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 46 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hm, unemployment collection and/or EEOC action for constructive dismissal, cool. My disability is "unable to work when off the clock".

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[–] finley@lemm.ee 99 points 2 months ago (1 children)

says the guy who definitely blows up his employee's phones after hours

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago (2 children)

…and is irritated when he gets after hours calls.

[–] finley@lemm.ee 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Oh, you just know that dickbag has an answering service, still. My asshole of a father did until he retired earlier this year.

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[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 93 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Billionaire who benefits financially from harassing his employees after hours instead of staffing those hours mad at concept that you shouldn't do that."

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 73 points 2 months ago

I don't know who Kevin O'Leary, but I can tell I don't like him.

[–] slingstone@lemmy.world 63 points 2 months ago (16 children)

There's a lot of talk these days about people being cancelled. This guy seems like the sort of person that would be an excellent candidate for it. I believe we, as a society, ought to collectively express our disgust at this kind of behavior.

So how is it done? How do we figuratively light the signal fires of Gondor and call forth the hosts to confront this evil?

[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] a_baby_duck@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Rich asshole with a reality TV show? Probably just as likely that we elect him president, wait for him to commit treason and more felonies than anyone can reasonably keep track of, and then fail to hold him meaningfully accountable for any of it.

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 57 points 2 months ago

he said in a clip he shared of a recent interview with Fox News

ahh yes, as broadcasted to the group who are consistently brainwashed to vote against their own best interests. mission accomplished

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 56 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I know people who live around where his wife was driving the boat and got in an accident and the people in the other boat died.

They all think she took the fall for him and he was drinking and he was the one driving. They were both drinking let’s be real - heading home from dinner on one of the most exclusive cottage lakes in Canada gimme a break.

Their opinion is he should have been charged and guilty.

The wife got back to the dock and took a big drink if I recall correctly to “calm her nerves” - oldest trick in the book.

Anyway, this shithead says what?

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

As usual they get to live and their innocent victims pay the price.

You know what would be awesome? If Kevin O’Leary died in a house fire, trapped and begging for his life.

Is that harsh? I gave up caring years ago. These people have every possible resource at their disposal to not be absolute pieces of shit. But they just can’t stop doing shit that leaves millions of people dead, injured, or much more commonly, in a state of poverty or near poverty for their entire lives because these assholes never learned how to share.

So I’ll say it again: I hope Kevin O’Leary dies in some excruciatingly painful way. Bonus points if him being a jackass kicks it off and he has to suffer the consequences of his own actions.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 54 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A couple hundred years ago, Kevin O'Leary would be whipping his slaves to death for objecting to being raped.

[–] III@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

With the right vote he could be doing that in a few years too.

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 52 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He's exactly the person you'd unfairly assume he is based on his face.

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[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 39 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

After reading that, I think calling O'Leary a garbage human is an insult to garbage everywhere.

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[–] FatherGascown@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

These corporate fucks should just die. No ifs, no buts, just fucking die like the scum they are.

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[–] filtoid@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 months ago

If he were my boss I'd ignore him during work hours too, tbh.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago

He's known as "Mr. Wonderful" because of how marbled and tender his cuts will be when he is harvested and eaten.

[–] meathorse@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I'm sure this fat greedy fuck would be edible if we slow roasted him, basted with a nice strong chili sauce

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

If he wants to have people on call after hours - how about paying them for that?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Headline from 100+ years ago:

'Who dreams up this balderdash?': Andrew Carnegie slams new idea pushed by labor unions that will force employers to give workers two days off at the end of every week

or maybe:

Republicans continue effort to erode US child labor rules despite teen deaths

Oh wait, no... That one was from last year https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/20/republican-child-labor-law-death

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[–] iconic_admin@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago

Fuck Kevin O’Leary.

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 27 points 2 months ago

Kevin O’Leary is a cunt. Yeah, I said it.

[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So you'll pay a livable wage plus overtime everytime you call me outside work yeah?

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

Call his ass after hours constantly and see how he likes it.

[–] Tangentism@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 months ago

If the prick wants people on-call 24 hours a day then he needs to pony up the wages to match with accompanying extended holiday for downtime.

[–] NihilisticOptimist@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Worst Canadian in the world, maybe top 5 worst human.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago

My general sense of this dude from Shark Tank is he's an asshole. After reading about him for 5 minutes, he's definitely an asshole.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm available for work after hours - 1 week a month, scheduled several months in advance.
I get about 1000€ extra for it, per month. And also 42 days of paid vacation per year, plus unlimited sick days.

That's what this rule would do - force employers to make it worth your while if they need you after hours, and force them to think about whether they really need that.

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i think this is a good idea in 95% of cases. Some jobs obviously require being on call. In some cases, it's necessary to have meetings with people in +/- 8h timezones. there should be appropriate compensation naturally.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago

Some jobs obviously require being on call.

If you need 24/7 coverage, you also need to pay those people to wait around on call. But just buzzing people at odd hours and demanding Just-in-Time employment puts a disproportionate tax on their unpaid time.

Medical staff will often have these extremely long - 20 to 30 hour - shifts because they want to maintain continuous care on a patient. But they also get paid for being active for that time frame. They don't just teleport to the hospital when an ambulance arrives and teleport away again as soon as the patient is stable. Professional Fire Departments keep people on call in rotation so there's always someone available in the event of an emergency. The volunteer system yields much worse results, as people holding down households and second jobs can't drop everything on short notice to rush halfway across town with ease.

there should be appropriate compensation naturally.

But that will cost money. And paying more money means keeping fewer profits.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 15 points 2 months ago

what if you have to get a hold of them at two in the morning

People sometimes accuse me of being cynical, and yet here I was giving this guy the benefit of the doubt, thinking his objection might be that we don't need such a rule because employees already had the right to not answer the phone by nature and tradition.

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