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Just about every common food option for thanksgiving is mediocre. Turkey is dry and flavorless unless you drench it in salt. Cranberry sauce is awful. Not only does dressing (stuffing) look unappealing it also tastes just as bad. And pumpkin pie could be better. Casserole and mash potatoes are alright but nothing to just fond over. The only good meal is mac and cheese and that ONLY depends on who’s cooking it. The 4th of July is the superior holiday in terms of food.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 55 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Turkey is dry

Found the guy who doesn't know how to cook a turkey.

.......I mean, neither do I. But I've never had dry turkey either. One of it's defining characteristics is that it's moist.

Cranberry sauce is awful.

That depends. I've had awful cranberry sauce, and I've had good cranberry sauce. Also, I do love that jellatin blob that comes in a can.

Not only does dressing (stuffing) look unappealing it also tastes just as bad.

WHO IS PREPARING THIS FOOD FOR YOU, AND WHY ARE THEY SOOOOO BAD AT IT???

And pumpkin pie could be better.

Eh, fair enough. It really depends on how flavorful the pumpkins were. I've had bland pie before. Try adding whipped cream.

Casserole and mash potatoes are alright but nothing to just find over.

Casserole is disgusting, but thanksgiving mashed potatoes are the second best food all year (number one is turkey).

The 4th of July is the superior holiday in terms of food.

4th of july is hot dogs, cheeseburgers, and potato chips. You can have that literally ANY time of the year!

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[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 45 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This isn't about the food being bad, this is about your family being bad cooks.

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 weeks ago

I second this. I thought I hated turkey until I went to my first long term significant other's family thanksgiving in my 20's...

Turns out my mom just always overcooked it.

[–] lriv724@discuss.online 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

lol I consider my grandmother (the cook) to be the best I’ve ever had. But when it comes to thanksgiving, it’s average at best.

[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Then she is not a good cook for Thanksgiving food.

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[–] Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I suspect a lot comes from the ingredients being mediocre when you buy them at high demand periods.

I come from the French country side, my father raises poultry and makes his own foie gras and deli meats. When I see the shit they sell at Christmas, which most of my fellow countrymen eat every year... I wouldn't be surprised reading a comment similar to yours about French Christmas food.

Maybe your grandma can't afford the good stuff, or doesn't have access to it ?

[–] HonkTonkWoman@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

This is possible in the US for sure. My first thanksgiving not at home, I wound up getting my bird the night before.

The smallest one they had left was 23lbs. And it was still frozen.

Burned out two full size hair dryers & one travel size, trying to defrost the bird.

There were only three of us & we drank cognac all day. We didn’t eat until almost 10:30 that night.

It. Was. Terrible.

[–] bear@lemmynsfw.com 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Disagree. Skill issue. Was going to tell a joke but you already roasted your own mother.

[–] lriv724@discuss.online 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Grandmother, actually. And I consider her to have the best food I’ve had. Everyone’s trying to say “it’s the cook” instead of perhaps considering that certain things just don’t taste good. Never said it was horrible, I said it was overrated

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 weeks ago

Don't taste good to you, maybe. That's why taste is a matter of taste.

I love all those "low" savoury notes. Sounds like you probably like "brighter" or sharper flavours.

Legitimately, my mouth started watering just as I was typing this up lol

[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 18 points 3 weeks ago

Sounds like you need to learn how to cook.

[–] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

This post is such a skill issue it's crazy. Get some gravy on the turkey, make some cranberry sauce and stuffing from scratch, and get some pie variety if you're not a fan of pumpkin. Casserole and mash potatoes are mid, agree, and good mac and cheese is godly regardless of the time of year.

[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago

Upvote for unpopular, and I totally disagree. I haven't had a dry turkey since I was a kid and my parents were still young. Stuffing, mash potatoes, and green bean casserole to me are like comfort food. Our family also does candied yams, devilled eggs, ham, bacon-wrapped asparagus, homemade dinner rolls, and all sorts of deliciousness.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 weeks ago

Man, this is a great post. Full on unpopular, no matter how you look at it. Kudos on that! Also, good on you for not making it a rant about other people's preferences.

Any way, that aside, I don't disagree with you, though I think your points are off as to why Thanksgiving food is overrated.

First, a lot of what you're using as a basis for that is down to the specific foods being cooked well. Any of those things that are made from good ingredients and is tbhen well executed are phenomenal. Others have covered that already, and the bit about turkeys being horribly bred, and treated even worse while alive.

So, moving on to why I tend to agree with you.

Thanksgiving food is nostalgia. It isn't about the food at all, it's about having a tradition. This means that you have people making things that they don't practice much in a time crunch, with the real effort going into making it a Thanksgiving meal, rather than a good meal they're able to execute well.

Turkey, as the perfect example. How often do you cook a whole turkey? Once, maybe twice a year for the vast majority. But it can take dozens of tries to get a dish right the first time. And it might take longer to be reliable with it, depending on the complexity of the dish.

Of course Thanksgiving turkey is overrated, people aren't happy with it because it's great, it's the tradition. So they ignore the fact that it's actually a difficult thing to execute well, and that most turkey you can buy is crappy turkey because it isn't important.

About the only thing in your list that isn't harder to get right than the average dish is mashed potatoes. Frankly, if you've only had mashed potatoes that are alright, in your words, chances are that whoever cooked the rest did a mid tier job on those too. Mashed potatoes are freaking bomb when done well, and they aren't hard to do well.

So I'm with you, Thanksgiving food is very overrated, but mainly because they're difficult foods that aren't practiced outside of the holidays. The foods themselves, done well, are amazing.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You're doing it wrong. It sounds like you're following some goofy rules about what Thanksgiving is supposed to be.

Turkey? Yeah, sure, we'll have one. Ours wears a woven blanket made of bacon to cook. Never had it come out dry.

Ham too, why not. Lasagna, of course. Crab cakes, definitely. Maybe a beef roast or ribs.

Sides? No fewer than 12. Chestnut stuffing, potato filling, green beans, roasted potatoes, caprese salad, broccoli, asparagus, etc.

Desserts. Should be four or five. Pumpkin pie (don't like it? Good. I wanted it all anyway). Cherry pie. Apple pie. Blueberry pie, chocolate cream roll, ice cream, etc.

Based on your description, whoever is cooking your food doesn't know how to do it right. It's not like Thanksgiving requires you to cook everything wrong.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 weeks ago

So uh is your family looking to adopt? 🤤

[–] lriv724@discuss.online 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

All the foods I mention are standard Thanksgiving meals. It’s just mediocre. Don’t see it any other way.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

It's only mediocre if it isn't prepared properly.

[–] redeyejedi@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You need to try a deep fried turkey that's been injected with seasoning. And maybe try other people's sides whoever has been making your food sounds awful at cooking

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[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

I love turkey, but I've never had a turkey come out dry. Mother brines hers, I just baste it and mine is also nice.

Cranberry sauce is delicious but I home can that in advance, cranberry orange thing. Very tasty.

Overall I'd probably pick chicken being easier to cook, but the turkey is not bad and oh man cold turkey sandwiches later are just easy lazy meals for me.

[–] RinseDrizzle@midwest.social 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

For what it's worth, it depends so much on whether or not the meal is done justice by a proper cook. It's a tall order, and loads of folks cooking it are just doing their best.

That being said, shit is phenomenal when it's done justice. I was quite lucky to live in the household with the best spread of all time. Ma's t-day feast is undefeated.

Talking crisp-skinned juicy bird with balanced herbs and seasoning. Fully homemade roasted stuffing with crispy bits and sausage, a jealously guarded family recipe. Fresh homemade cranberry sauce two-ways cause both versions too damn good to skip either. Spuds with gravy made from them bird-veg roast drippings -- most valuable juice on the planet. Homemade lefste. Cranberry upside down cake, or like pumpkin cheesecake, the works.

Just got really excited for Fall ngl...

For me, DEFINITELY an unpopular opinion, but for obvious reasons I'm biased af. (Don't even get me started on the other holidays)

[–] Xenny@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Best part of thanksgiving is the leftover turkey sandiwches

[–] HonkTonkWoman@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

Hell. Yes.

Fry up that skin like a piece of bacon. Brine some tomatoes. Mix up some concoction of mayo/gravy/whatever suits your liking…

Or…

Dice up that turkey & skin. Press it together into discs with the leftover stuffing/dressing, and brown it up like a patty with some butter…

This goes surprisingly well with a bit of canned cranberry mixed with mayo.

Leftover Turkey sandwich time is the Holiest time of the year.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Separate the breast from the dark meat and cook to different times. Reassemble on the cutting board. Enjoy perfect turkey.

Alternative: oven the breast and confit the dark meat with rosemary and garlic. You do it once a year so why not go the extra mile? Leftover confit meat can be made into ravioli filling.

[–] HonkTonkWoman@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You got a newsletter? I’d subscribe.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

If you don't care for a cranberry sauce's tartness or oversweetness to compensate for that tartness, consider pomegranate seeds or red currant jelly instead. Much more balance between sweet, fruit, and tart.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

One Thanksgiving my housemates and I all realized none of us were going home for Thanksgiving, and the richest of us offered to buy whatever I needed to make a proper Thanksgiving meal. I agreed on the condition that the kitchen was off limits to everyone except me the day before, and day of until 2:00 pm. They agreed.

I spent the better part of two days making the turkey, stuffing, four different potato dishes, (mashed potatoes, potato salad, au gratin potatoes and baked yams) turkey and beef gravy, green bean and ham hock casserole, mac and cheese, a pumpkin pie, a strawberry pie, a mince meat pie, and cranberry sauce. All from scratch, exept the pie crusts. That's just unnecessary outside of competitive cooking.

They actually left me alone to cook, for the first time ever, and everything came out perfectly. I loaded up my plate, and decided to take a walk when I heard the benefactor of the meal pick up his phone, call someone, and say "Hey Grandma, happy Thanksgiving. Did you know that you can cook a turkey and have the breast be moist?"

Got pissed at one of them because he didn't eat anything but the pies, and I was the only person that got any of the pies. Didn't even get a piece of the strawberry pie. I made homemade whipped cream for that thing too!

This was over a decade ago, and yes, I'm still salty about that.

[–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You've just been subjected to bad Thanksgiving food.

[–] lriv724@discuss.online 0 points 3 weeks ago

Nope, bad food in general.

[–] specialseaweed@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Cranberry sauce is better with jalapeño. Miles better.

I’m just sayin

[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

A lot of this is based on cooking skill and recipe, but I do agree with you on cranberry sauce. I hate it with a passion! Which is why I make my own, based on this recipe - cinnamon apple cranberry sauce by Aaron McCargo Jr. I saw it on a Food Network marathon and tried making it, and now its a staple recipe for Thanksgiving and Christmas in my house. I've massaged the recipe over the years, and I think I'm at half the sugar and double the cinnamon, but this is a way to try something new with a completely different taste profile if you'd like.

[–] Zier@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago

Many years ago I realized I can serve whatever I want on a holiday. I literally hate traditions that repeat every year for eternity. Move on, choose different foods. If other people don't like it, it's their problem. Life is too short not to enjoy it.

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

As others have said, it's all based on how good the cook is. Since the food is so ubiquitous, everyone tries to make it, even when they'd be better off throwing a frozen pizza in the oven.

Except pumpkin pie, that is the only thing that is impossible to be bad. Mediocre, sure, but always worth eating. (Just drown the crust in whipped cream if it's store-bought.)

[–] DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Turkey is a bit of a problem because the birds have been bred to have giant breasts and can't even reproduce on their own. You pretty much have to dry brine them to get decent flavor. To always get a moist bird, use a meat thermometer. Also, go for the dark meat. It's always better than the light meat.

Fresh cranberry sauce is awesome. Keyword being fresh. It's just cranberries, sugar, and little bit of water that you cook down for about 10-20 minutes. Make it the night before then spread that on some fresh cornbread.

Stuffing depends on the aromatics. Add some sauted onion and celery then some mushrooms or cooked italian sausage. And one more thing: cook the bread in a lot of butter.

Pumpkin pie tends to be on the dense side and pumpkin by itself doesn't have much flavor. Most of what we think of as pumpkin pie flavor comes from the spices: cinnamon, nutmeg, and a tiny bit of ground ginger. Homemade is better, but a lot of work. It requires roasting pumpkin, making the pie crust from scratch, and then essentially making a pumpkin custard for the filling. Worth doing at least once. It comes out nice and light instead of dense like the canned and premade stuff.

Casserole is always hit or miss. Aunt Caroline's recipe is either good or a nightmare.

Mash potatoes, it depends on how you dress them up. You can rice them with some cream and butter to make them nice and smooth. Or use red potatoes for something more rustic along with some cheddar cheese or bacon.

I've never heard of mac and cheese for thanksgiving. There are so many better dishes that can be made. Who's cooking your thanksgiving dinner? Do they even know how to cook? And where's the gravy? You can make a nice rich gravy from the turkey drippings.

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[–] USNWoodwork@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

We started doing Fondue for Thanksgiving instead of the traditional dinner. Its special and it tastes good and some years we discover new cheese combinations that work great. For Xmas we do a whole chicken leg with the little chef's hat cover on the end of the leg bone.

Agree that traditional Thanksgiving meal sucks. No matter what they do to a turkey, brine it, deep fry it, baste it, it still tastes like turkey.

One thing my wife does well though is pumpkin pie. She does this cheese soufflé style pumpkin pie that is light on sugar. Its so good. The only problem is that it is visibly indistinguishable from a supermarket bought crappy sugary pumpkin pie.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Extremely normal opinion.

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wasn’t this on Reddit yesterday?

[–] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How the hell would we know!?

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 1 points 3 weeks ago

Shifty eyed monkey meme

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

I think stuffing your face untill you can't walk anymore is overrated and disgusting

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

you got my upvote. mac and cheese is not TG worthy to me and we don't have it. TG is my favorite food next to US breakfast fare (eggs, biscuits and gravy, french toast) and at the top. The very top for me is stuffing and particularly in the bird, but how great it is does depend on the preparer but stuffing for me is like sex. I like it even if its mediocre.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I'm with you on green bean casserole, dislike. Cranberry sauce I make from fresh cranberries then don't eat it. Not because I don't like it, I just think it would be better as a dessert. Love mashed potatoes but the Thanksgiving ones are always some make ahead and reheat version. I think that's the real issue with Thanksgiving food in general, you just can't make that much all at once so the quality suffers. Chili would be better, or gumbo, something like that that benefits from being reheated. I do love the stuffing at Thanksgiving, and the gravy.

Thanksgiving is my absolute favorite holiday in one way - we do an All Comers version and end up with so many people here, it's chaotic and loud and boisterous and we always have a cocktail hour so nobody cares as much about the food. And we have some vegans and pro chefs so get some good and interesting dishes always. It's a lot of work for me but so much fun.

But the actual food? Christmas is better, Easter is better, and yes any of those grill outside holidays also better. Even Halloween can be better, creative and interesting. Thanksgiving is quantity more than quality.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago

However the 4th and Thanksgiving are the best holidays overall because they’re literally just about hanging out.

[–] rei@piefed.social 0 points 3 weeks ago

As a grudgingly picky eater, I agree with you

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I agree with you. And it's not because of poor cooking. I just don't like most Thanksgiving food.

On the other hand, pulled pork BBQ and grilled meats on the 4th are some of my favorites.

[–] HonkTonkWoman@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

Baste a turkey with peanut butter. Stuff it with pulled pork/sausage & slaw. Smoke it or grill it.

It’s good any day of the week!

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