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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 153 points 3 months ago
  1. Too late
  2. They shouldn’t need to be told
  3. It’s just getting started
[–] c0smokram3r@midwest.social 110 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Stop making race comments: the most impossible challenge for the GOP.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Naw. They can switch to sexism.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They’re both, no doubt.

But right now they’re pushing the racism hard. I give it a week and it’ll be pushing the sexism hard.

[–] LimeZest@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

They are already claiming she shouldn’t be eligible because she has no children of her own, only step children. No guy ever has been told he should be ineligible for office over not having children.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That’s patently ridiculous.

Also… wanna bet the originalists are going to shut up about “what the constitution says”?

she shouldn’t be eligible because she has no children of her own

By that metric, Trump isn't qualified because who wants a president that doesn't have a dog?!?!

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

There hasn't been a president without children since the civil war. In fact, unless my Wikipediaing failed me, the last time there was a major party candidate without children was 1876 when Samuel J. Tilden lost to Ruthorford B. Hayes.

I strongly suspect it would be a major issue for a male candidate to be childless. The requirements for a presidential candidate are extremely conservative. They have to be married. They have to have children. They have to be christian -- even being Catholic rather than Protestant has been a major issue for a few, including JFK and to a certain extent Biden. They also have to be tall. Since the advent of TV in 1928, the shorter candidate has only won 6 times. The taller candidate has won 17 times.

Yes, there's a ton of sexism about Harris, but in this case a guy would probably be attacked if he were childless too.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

My entire adult life, it's felt like Republicans are made in those Coca-Cola Freestyle machines where you can customize the flavor. The base flavor is always pro-big business, American imperialist, anti-women's rights, anti-intellectual. But then there's always an extra shot of flavor! Maybe it's something common, like being especially anti-queer, or rare like McCain having just a little squirt of integrity.

But sometimes it's weird! With Sarah Palin it was aerial wolf gunning! There was some other guy who was against laws forbidding dog fighting, because he said that because human boxing was allowed, outlawing dogfighting would elevate dogs above humans. And then you've got the likes of MTG where you just take ALL the flavors and mix them together.

So yeah, we can expect a steady stream of base flavor repellent Republican behavior, with notes of racism and sexism that will be familiar to anyone who was paying attention during the Obama administration or the Trump vs. Clinton campaign.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 months ago

Watch them try to go for an intersection high score

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Seriously. What about every other non-white person?

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 55 points 3 months ago

You know your NOT RACIST when you have to Remind your Party not to be Racist!

[–] ChihuahuaOfDoom@lemmy.world 55 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 months ago

Yeah they got rid of most of the ones that did terrible racist shit because it makes the ghost of milton freedman's dick hard and now they're left with the morons who keep telling on all of them because it makes the base hard.

[–] solidgrue@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Jeez. I thought it was parody, but they really are afraid someone's about to drop an N-bomb

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 35 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That’s because they’ve just had 8 years of saying the quiet parts out loud….

[–] solidgrue@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

So help us, may their lack of discipline be their undoing

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Well, near a microphone.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they're not about to stop.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Stop making race comments

I don't think I've ever heard 'race' used as a euphemism for 'racist'.

Republicans definitely have an issue with being so openly race all the time.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

“This should not be about personalities. It should be about policy.

Would be the first time since the mid-90s if he wasn't lying, delusional or both. Probably both.

And we have a record to compare,” Speaker Mike Johnson told POLITICO

An abysmal record. One that doesn't compare favorably to the merely insufficient one of the Dems.

That's technically still a record to compare, though, I guess 🤷

Edit:

It has to do with the competence of the person running for president, the relative strength of the two candidates and what ideas they have on how to solve America’s problems. And I think in that comparison, we’ll win in a landslide.

Ok, he's DEFINITELY delusional. Otherwise it would be physically impossible to lie THAT blatantly with a straight face.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

“This should not be about personalities. It should be about policy.”

Just once, I wish that a reporter would have the integrity to just lean in close like LBJ intimidating a staffer, almost touching face to face, and then emit a single peal of pure derisive laughter. Just a single loud, half maniacal high pitched “UH-HAAA!”, close enough that they can feel the wind of it. And then just walk away. No follow-up questions, no segue way or thank you for your time. Just loud laughter and then the end of the interview, without another word.

[–] bquintb@midwest.social 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Republican hard mode activated

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 10 points 3 months ago

That genie has been out of the bottle a looooong time.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Lmao they let the foxes into the henhouse and are now concerned that the farmer now knows about it and is coming by shortly with his ranch rifle and a few boxes of ammo

I am quite enjoying watching the Republicans hoist themselves on their own petard

[–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Republicans are so fucking petarded!

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No, keep it up. Show exactly who you are.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

The fact that they even have to make a statement like this is pretty damning about the state of the GOP on race. You never hear Democrats urging each other to stop saying racist things, they just don't tend to be doing that...

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Everyone understands that Biden didn't pick a black woman as his Vice President by coincidence, so Republicans could push the "DEI candidate" message without sounding explicitly racist, simply by attacking Harris as inexperienced. The people they want to reach would come to their desired conclusion. It's a good thing that the stable geniuses in that party won't or can't control their mouths, since many voters who are hostile to the idea of DEI still don't want to think of themselves as explicitly racist.

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's funny, I don't remember a peep from Republicans about DEI for Obama choosing an old white dude as a running mate. It's almost as if DEI is a stand-in for another word. Maybe media could do their job and posit what that word might be.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah, every VP is a DEI candidate.

When they talk about "balancing the ticket", they're looking specifically for diversity. Old to balance young. Southern to balance northern. Experienced to balance inexperienced, etc.

Even when both candidates are white men, they are looking for someone who will bring in voters that the presidential candidate won't on their own. Dick Cheney was an old white man, but he was chosen to balance Bush Jr's young age and relative lack of political experience. Even Mike Pence was a DEI hire because he was specifically chosen to appeal to religious evangelical voters who didn't trust Trump.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Maybe media could do their job and posit what that word might be.

I think that's also not a winning argument. Again, many voters who are hostile to the idea of DEI still don’t want to think of themselves as explicitly racist. If the Republicans are acting racist, these voters won't support them. But if the Democrats are calling these voters racist, then these voters won't support them either.

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

DEI is their stand in for the n word, and the only thing protecting them from backlash is their followers who need to be told "I am a racist, n-word" before it stands out as starkly more racist than themselves on a daily basis.

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 3 points 3 months ago

I think they should take the mask off already..

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

I love how even this simple message is actually signaling the base. When the GOP leaders are saying to stop saying racist things, they're effectively telling everyone to keep thinking them and just to shut up for a while. The message is loudly sent and will be partly received, no doubt.

[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Who is or are the members of the GOP who are making racial remarks?

I would support kicking them off their political seat.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Posts have been all over the front page of Lemmy with "DEI hire" and stupid shit like that. I'm too lazy to find them for you. The misogyny and racism has been surprisingly blatant.

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Which is funny to me because in my industry, the DEI people tend to be exceptionally talented. Probably because they had to overcome a bunch of biases to get there in the first place. My "DEI" coworkers are awesome, and I love working with them. Would definitely hire more.