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[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 91 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Germany and ping ponging between proprietary and free software every 2 years, name a better duo

[–] NafiTheBear@pawb.social 82 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It is like... Each time we showed how well you can live with open source, Microsoft comes around with an even bigger coffin of lobby money.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The worst thing in that is the amount of money and human time it must take just to migrate everything. People only looking at the bottom line is the bane of IT...

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago (6 children)

It's not just lobbying. The expertise to build and certify what Microsoft did for government cloud is expensive and rare. Open source still needs a third party to provide that level of support, because the documentation is more important than the technical capabilities.

[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hire any competent Linux sys tech?

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 11 points 4 months ago

Tech corpo shills hate the idea of government going open source. Think of all that investment into your competition that is known to be the better approach.

[–] NafiTheBear@pawb.social 9 points 4 months ago

This is a valid mention and I agree, but I also have to say that there are companies like the nextcloud corp itself who do offer that level of expertise and are German based and would use the money to improve nextcloud, which is open source, whereas we don't know how much of the money that Microsoft takes goes into the open source project.

[–] mryessir@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 4 months ago

Thing is the authorities are told to use their own IT hoster. This dumbsack just - again - took money from extern.

It was also, internally, conducted that a third party governing an open-source stack ia cheaper then redmond.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's possible and not so hard, just too boring for people to do automatically (EDIT: I meant - as part of usual work), and also bureaucrats have a very different MO, one that you need a commercial company infected by that culture for.

Also governments steal money. It's obvious they do. Both in legal ways, when some secretary has salary disproportional to the work they are doing and the need for it at all, and in illegal ones (just for the fun of it).

It's about power and dealing with people of their culture.

The state is interested in less dependence from big corps, but its officials are interested in more dependence, because that means huge contracts with little transparency and lots of time to hide things that don't look nice.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly on Software. At least, not any more. Open Source is the way to go, and there are plenty of Open Source consulting firms out there. Red Hat, Nextcloud, Redpill Linpro, etc.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

They have a near monopoly on compliance though which is the draw of government cloud. It's a totally different product from their commercial offerings. The software portion isn't really a factor, it's the paperwork and audit results.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Microsoft is a bunch of corporate fascist cunts just like the rest of the silicon valley and those fuckers should all die out. Sadly they won't. Thank you fucking traitor scum Scholz for showing your true shitface once more. Greetings from CumEx

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

coffin

Hehe. I think you mean suitcase but this works, too.

[–] NafiTheBear@pawb.social 8 points 4 months ago

It was intentional play of words. :p

[–] n3cr0@lemmy.world 67 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sovereignity by ditching open source software for a proprietary solution made by a US company? How depraved is our dear Bundeskanzler?! The source code of each software update will be made available to the German service provider. Does Scholz really expect someone checking it thoroughly, each time?

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Sovereignity by ditching open source software for a proprietary solution made by a US company?

SAP is German.

Does Scholz really expect someone checking it thoroughly, each time?

Let's not pretend that people do this with open source software either. Especially obfuscated mechanisms might not even be seen by the few people who do check it.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I'm aware you can intentionally try to make source code unreadable and making open source software effectively proprietary but I do not know of any examples of people doing that. Do you?

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They meant backdoors hidden in plain sight, so making it readable, but (EDIT: seemingly) innocent. People do that.

[–] raef@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Probably referring to Microsoft. That's the one of the two with all the cloud experience

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

People notice the oddest things, look at the xz malware incident. All because some guy figured a decompression subroutine in his software was taking a bit longer than expected.

[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Ah, Olaf Scholz, already an infamous corp slut. Was refused.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

The idea was rejected? Sane. Lovely to see.

[–] feinstruktur@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago
[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

Aaaand that will cost the taxpayers an undisclosed amount of money

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

This bespells doom

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

"Failed idocs and a deleted HUs have caused the German government to cease all function. "

[–] far_university1990@feddit.de 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

𝕯𝖎𝖊𝖘𝖊 𝕶𝖔𝖒𝖒𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖘𝖊𝖐𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓 𝖎𝖘𝖙 𝖓𝖚𝖓 𝕰𝖎𝖌𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖚𝖒 𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝕭𝖚𝖓𝖉𝖊𝖘𝖗𝖊𝖕𝖚𝖇𝖑𝖎𝖐 𝕯𝖊𝖚𝖙𝖘𝖈𝖍𝖑𝖆𝖓𝖉

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Isn't it Kommentärsektion? Not a German, so just asking

[–] far_university1990@feddit.de 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Kommentar ist die Schreibweise aus dem Duden, es ist kein ä enthalten. Auch in Verbindung mit Sektion wird dort kein ä hinzugefügt.

Mir ist generell kein Wort bekannt, bei dem sich ein a zu ä, o zu ö oder u zu ü ändert, wenn es mit einem anderen Wort kombiniert wird.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If you didnt understand whatever this guy is yappin, the answer is no. The original spelling is correct.

[–] far_university1990@feddit.de -1 points 4 months ago

Es gibt übersetzer

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Mir ist generell kein Wort bekannt, bei dem sich ein a zu ä, o zu ö oder u zu ü ändert, wenn es mit einem anderen Wort kombiniert wird.

Nach Gold graben -> Goldgräber sein.

Wobei hast schon recht der Umlaut kommt nicht durch die Zusammensetzung zustande sondern durch die Nominalisierung von "graben". Ansonsten kommen Umlaute noch bei der Steigerung von Adjektiven vor (alt, älter), sowie Pluralbildungen (Gans, Gänse) und beim Präsens vieler starker Verben und auch der Konjunktiv ist mit Umlauten durchsetzt und das war's dann glaub ich auch schon.

[–] wolf@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago

Seems SAP's investment in good arguments pays off.

OTOH Europe and Germany have obvious problems in the cloud sector: They cannot do it on their own and thus are depending on either the USA or other countries who have the know-how.

Not a situation you want to find yourself in, when IT is the backbone which keeps everything running.

Luckily German government's investment in paper, floppy drives and fax machines makes it secure against attacks towards IT infrastructure... ;-)