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[–] socphoenix@midwest.social 110 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Out of the 151 breast reductions that were performed in 2019 on American minors, 146 (97 percent) were performed on cisgender males.

The thing is, growing up in an evangelical church they don’t want these people getting breast reduction surgery either. they firmly believe that any change to the body is going against God’s will regardless of the physical or mental harm it may cause.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 83 points 4 months ago (2 children)

pretty sure they're okay with women getting boob implants, though.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 35 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Idk, the #1 thing people said behind Dolly Parton's back and held against her was that she had fake tits.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People are awful. If there’s nothing that they can be mean about, they’ll make shit up. I suspect most of that was more because she was rich/famous/influential in her own right rather than being tied to a husband.

(though she’s married. I looked it up outta curiosity. He doesn’t even have a Wikipedia page…

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 months ago

Dolly's husband has never been a part of her public persona. He's always been in the background and almost everyone has respected his/her choice on the matter.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 points 4 months ago

absolutely true but Dolly Parton did not have to face transphobic harassment and violence

very very very important distinction

[–] socphoenix@midwest.social 3 points 4 months ago

That one did oddly enough draw less of a stink, though it did still get whispered about when it suited one’s purpose.

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Except male genital mutilation, aka circumcision. (Please don't take this as me saying FGM and MGM are equally bad. FGM is much, much worse.)

[–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There are other forms of MGM too. Fortunately most of them are rare these days. Castration, subincision, penectomy.

And then there’s intersex people. That are routinely subject to “corrective surgery” in infancy. As adults they tend to be firmly of the opinion they should have been left alone and that the surgeries were harmful.

IMO bodily integrity and autonomy is a fundamental human right that should be absolutely respected for every human being.

[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There are five grades of FGM; MGM is equivalent to hoodectomy, which is grade III.

The worst FGM is much, much worse that MGM, but the least-worst FGM is much less-worse than MGM.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

where do you cite this five grade model?

the world health organization is not quite in line with you here (CW, hopefully obvious explicit discussion of mutilation) thanks !

[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hm, it's been a while since I've been active in this space, I'm quoting from memory. I'll look up some stuff.

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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 31 points 4 months ago

this should hilight to us the outsized effect transphobia has on discourse.

if we were to believe the line that “we’re just concerned about people getting mutilated” we must naturally expect to see that 97% margin of outrage at breast implants, hair implants, weight management surgery etc. for cis folk.

and we don’t. here and there you might hear an evangelical getting upsetti spaghetti avout Ozempic et al but transphobic talking points dominate, in vast disproportion to actual individual cases.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Although they're usually fine with things like wearing glasses and getting stents. Odd, isn't it?

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Well except for giant fake titties, God wants those. If we can get those on some minors, I'm pretty sure Republicans would shut the fuck up for decades.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

My mother (religious) once told me my tattoos make her sad. There are only two that are visible on a forearm (the third is under my shirt). I told her that they make me feel happy. She’s never brought it up again. But hers is less fervent, still rooted in the same origin.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm guessing that's because the Bible says no tattoos in the same book where it says not to eat pork and shellfish, but Christians only believe the passages in the Pentateuch if they're okay with them.

Bible says no pork, pork is ok.

Bible says not to be gay in the exact same book, being gay is an abomination unto the lord.

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[–] drislands@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

My mother is fond of saying "God doesn't make junk". Easily disproven whether or not you believe in a god, but she's a "if I don't like it, it didn't happen" variety of Trump supporter, so I err on the side of changing the subject over arguing.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Oh they absolutely do. The alternative is men with breasts. They’ll say they don’t, but when the time comes to accept cis men’s bodies when they fall outside “male” expectations they won’t.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)

This appears to be an issue with accurate reporting. Considerations like this would make the data make a lot more sense.

The problem is the interpretation by those running the study.

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[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 88 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Gender affirmation only counts to them if it defies the sex or gender binary. They're completely fine with people modifying their bodies to affirm their masculinity or femininity so long as they were assigned male or female at birth accordingly.

Trans people pursuing medical transition are such a small percentage of the population that cis people getting hormone therapy or affirming surgeries will always dwarf the number of trans people who are. Throw in all of the ways we affirm the gender of cis people, through language and fashion and culture and so on, and it's evident what their gripe is. It's never been about children receiving gender affirmation, merely their conviction that transgender people do not exist or are immoral and evil and shouldn't exist. There's a reason modern transphobia is highly intertwined with fascism. To believe that an entire group of people, based solely on their gender, is immoral and evil is only possible through a lense of dehumanization and conspiracy. Something they are especially good at. We are too few in number and too disparate to counteract the efforts of fascists, who by themselves outnumber us in every way.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They may be fine with it, but the laws they are passing are not.

And I won't be shocked if they decide that it's actually a good thing like the anti-IVF stuff that happened as a result of the anti-abortion laws.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You know damn well as soon as some politician needs some work done or their wife does, the laws will be changed to adjust the definition to "affirming a gender other than what was assigned at birth"

In no world does America ban boob jobs or any of the whatever the fuck insecure men get done.

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[–] zeroblood@lemmy.ca 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)

Why are so many cis males getting breast reduction surgery tho?

Edit I didn't know that many dudes had boobs. Makes sense, thanks :3

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 43 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Especially when you can get them enlarged! C’mon fellas. Have fun with it.

Seriously though, I get that this could be terribly embarrassing if you have boobs as a man. I feel bad for kids in gym locker rooms getting teased.

[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago

Now, imagine how bad it would be if you were a man with breasts and a vagina and woman's name and you were forced to stay that way. Truly sounds like a nightmare.

[–] binomialchicken@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes you just need some round things in your face, even if they are your own

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

Dude, I saw that picture of Elliot Page after he got his breasts removed. He looked HAPPY. Rejuvenated. I want to get rid of mine to. I've never wanted gender affirming care as much as I do now as a cis gender man, these guys are getting it done. It's clearly making them feel better.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Because the alternative is a brossiere.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago

I believe the options were the manssiere or the bro.

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[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

All dudes have boobs. They have nipples and breast tissue. They can lactate (small amounts) and get breast cancer.

This is because, in mammals, the default sex leans towards more female. An XY-chromosome 'male' foetus that doesn't respond to androgens in the womb will not develop male external genitalia, and will probably be assumed to be female on birth.

Sex is not binary, because biology isn't simple. Gender, which is more complex than that, is not, either.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (10 children)

I believe that male lactation, while possible, is rare.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Rare cam be a deceptive term, with the current population of the human race 'one in a million' is still 8,000 people.

But also, male lactation, other than infants at birth who have a high exposure to their mother's hormones, is always a significant medial concern, so it isn't something that just sometimes happens.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Males are born with breast tissue, hence the fact they can get breast cancer.

One or more hormones (I assume prolactin is involved) are required to activate lactation.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 3 points 4 months ago

Prolactin and oxytocin, mostly.

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[–] Iapar@feddit.org 10 points 4 months ago

Because of dem tiddis fool.

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[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I was wondering when they would start to figure out that maybe it's a bad idea for the government to get between people and their doctors.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Most will only realize its a bad idea when it affects them. Just like they can only empathize with someone who is experiencing the exact same thing they are.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Easy, they don't see trans folk as "people".

[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

100% and they're trying to work on the definition of 'Doctor' too.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

Well they do vastly outnumber us and have a ton of their own gender based insecurities so it makes sense

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

This is ABSURD! Somebody needs to AMEND these laws to allow little girls to get Breast Implants!

-Republicans that totally aren't Sex Offenders like DRAG QUEENS ARE!

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