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[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 79 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Did you see someone shoplifting? No you fucking didn't, narc.

EDIT: Okay, so just grabbing a top level comment to dispell some misinfo.

Stealing baby formula to onsell online does happen: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/02/magazine/money-issue-baby-formula-crime-ring.html

Parents stealing baby formula out of desperation also happens: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/the-desperate-reality-of-stealing-baby-formula-because-you-cant-afford-it_uk_64635704e4b09eef8308cfc6

The problem here is that baby formula is something people need to feed their babies, and our society has decided that if you don't have enough made up arbitrary tokens, you don't get to feed your baby.

If I don't know 100% that the person I saw stealing baby formula is doing it as part of a crime ring, then I'm not going to ruin a parent's life because they did what they needed to feed their baby. Even then if the crime ring is selling it at a discount then I don't particularly care to stop them either.

If you want to tell people that shoplifting is such a problem and you want to focus on the crime rings and ignore the poor people, your priorities are messed up. Also none of you know how to source your claims. Also, don't start with some BS about how nobody ever does it to feed their baby, that's just false.

In conclusion:

Did you see someone shoplifting? No you fucking didn't, narc.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 62 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I absolutely did, and I'm taking mental notes on their technique to improve my own.

There's no shame in stealing from a publically traded conglomerate, they used the money from exploiting you and those like you to lobby to steal more from you and destroy the commons they tear up with their supply chains but didn't want to pay taxes to repair and maintain, and destroy public education they also don't want to fund despite enjoying and taking for granted the pre-literate workforce they have access to that they directly profit from. Stealing from them is just revenge.

They've stolen more from us than we can ever hope to steal back, including the temperate climate of our only habitat in their insatiable, blind, reckless, gluttonous, antisocial, sociopathic need for ever moooaaaar.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Ah, thanks ! I was feeling a tad moderate today for some reason.

Radicalize the moderates ! Burn the mosque ! (It's from a movie, don't hit me)

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (12 children)

No one shoplifts formula to feed their own baby, they steal it to literally scalp it to those who actually do need it, at a fat markup, after conveniently draining the store's supply so they're the only source.

They're not Robin Hoods sticking it to the Big Bad Corporation. They're profiteering scumbags.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 51 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I've seen stolen wares and goods being sold on street many times before. They arent scalped as that implies charging more than the retail price, they're sold for significantly less than the retailer, often at a fraction.

And just because they sold baby formula, doesn't mean they don't need to sell it to buy food and gas.

I will side with the have nots doing what they can get away with to survive over the Alice Waltons choosing to live like modern Pharoahs on our backs and never being satisfied with their immoral dragon hoards every time. The owners have bred this desperation, and bribe our captured government to maintain it in perpetuity for their exclusive benefit. Look to the nordic countries, this isn't how we have to live, scraping and subsisting, it's how our owner class demands it be so they can run up their ego scores, competing with one another while seeing us as subhuman batteries for that sociopathic game.

[–] noxy@yiffit.net 10 points 5 months ago

They're rolling back prices! Better than nothing for damn sure

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Bold assumption that no one shoplifts baby formula to use it

There will be people who are desperate enough to do so (I've even known a few)

The amount of people I've known who have stolen food for themselves or their kids is more than those who haven't

Edit: spelling

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, so many people in here are saying nobody ever does this and everybody who is stealing is just re-selling the goods but I don't see anybody actually substantiating that. But like, it can't be right, can it? Surely some larceny is done for personal use. And even then, most cases of theft aren't documented because when someone gets away with stealing some expensive necessity they don't tell the cops.

It's got this "nuh-uh, everybody knows dogs can't look up" energy. Like if it's so obvious, how? What are they talking about?

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[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Seriously?

No one shoplifts formula to feed their own baby

No one ever does this? It has never happened? Now obviously that's not true but let's be kind and say that you're exaggerating and you mean it's just rare.

If this is true, can you explain how you know it?

Edit: the first piece of bullshit was so egregious it distracted me from the existential horror of unpacking the rest of the comment. This is a nightmare of miseducation.

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[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 45 points 5 months ago

Oooh yeah sorry I have face blindness, even if I saw the person again I'd never recognize them soooooooo sorryyyyyyyyyy

[–] JayObey711@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Or medication or hygiene products or toys or actually anything. The store is not paying me to care.

[–] LifeOfChance@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Ya frankly if they're just taking corporations and not mom and pop shops I ain't seeing anything.

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[–] Unicode13051@lemmyf.uk 34 points 5 months ago (2 children)

1 can, sure.

2 cans, maybe.

But when I see some asshole load up a cart and start booking it towards the nearest fire door? Yeah, I'm stopping you.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Someone once stole half a fucking oxen of meat and his excuse was "I need to feed my family". My dude, is your family 50 people?

[–] kn33@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Remember that "feeding 50 people once" is the same as feeding 10 people 5 times. With a large family, that could be as little as a week of food.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Sure, but maybe my comment demanded some context. Beef is expensive compared to many other meats where I'm from and this person literally stole the most expensive cuts only, in amounts that came to huge sums. Their explanation made no sense, since there are far better things to steal if all you want to do is feed your family. He was caught with so much that it was unreal.

I wouldn't have brought it up in this thread unless it was weird, because I do believe stealing food from the supermarket isn't immoral if you truly need to do it to feed yourself. Not that I see it happen ever, y'know.

edit: made a clarification

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 21 points 5 months ago

We had a problem in my country a few years ago where large numbers of people would buy up a heap of baby formula so that they can resell it overseas at a massive profit. Enough that stores had to put caps on how many you're allowed to buy, and local parents still frequently couldn't get their hands on it.

They weren't generally stealing, but if they were, you bet I'd report that. And if they were noticeably going back in to buy more than the limit.

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 32 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Unless they lock that shit up behind a cabinet. I took this photo today and it almost made me cry.

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What even is that exactly? I have never seen anything like that

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 37 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I didn't know what these were too. I only learned about these after having a kid.

After a woman gives birth, the exit where the baby comes out bleeds.... Profusely.... Usually for a few days, but could go for a few weeks. Something that regular pads can't handle.

It's basically an essential item that should be given out free to all mothers and it's locked behind a glass case.

[–] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago (2 children)

After a woman gives birth, the exit where the baby comes out bleeds

Vagina. It's okay to say vagina, because that's what it's called.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

Funny, I always called it "the grotto"

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[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Like, even Depends adult diapers wouldn't be sufficient for postpartum bleeding?

after my most violent birth, I just remember having the luxury of being at home for months and having access to the toilet all day 🤷🏻‍♀️

It was 17 years ago but the memories are coming back to me now, yeah it was pretty much like giving birth three more times with all the blood and god-knows-what-solid-bloody-tissue-chunks still coming out of me days after.

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It was a murder scene each time my wife needed to freshen up.

I didn't take the photo, but Target had the adult diapers locked up too.

Fucking hate this.

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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In my experience, being a victim of crime makes people less empathetic and more likely to favor “tough on crime” bullshit policies. This is why California is seeing a rise in Conservatism and progressive DAs are getting voted out. Sadly the progressive DAs were never helped or supported by other arms of the state legislature that could have attempted to solve the root cause of the issues (hint it’s not that some people suck)

In America at least, the small business owners may or may not be a part of the problem, depending on whether they’re voting GOP. The big businesses are definitely the problem as they mindlessly favor shareholder loyalty instead of community loyalty.

Ideally you’d want voters to be empathetic to the plight of less fortunate, and vote for progressive change. That doesn’t help someone who is hungry now, so I suggest donating food items to the local bank or community for the short term help if you really want to help the poor, and voting progressive candidates into office for the long term help

In general all countries need to remodel towards market socialism, otherwise you’ll always have the national security dilemma for any kind of policy change

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Nothing more American than spending more on incarceration than it cost to house and feed that same person.

Well, maybe denying one's self healthcare on the off chance an emotionally unstable drug user gets the help they need.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 26 points 5 months ago

I could not possibly give less fucks if someone steals from a name brand store. Little mom a pop shops, I might care a little bit, but any nationwide chain? Fuck them.

If I see someone stealing from someone else, I will definitely have fucks to give. But I'm not going to shed any tears if someone walks out of a Walmart with shit they didn't pay for.

These fucks gouge us every chance they get. They raise prices mere days before a "sale" so they can slap a x% off sticker on something and sell it for full fucking price. I do not have any sympathy for them at all.

[–] DaBabyAteMaDingo@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

I fucking hate this take. It's so middle school edgy it cuts my cringe receptors into pieces.

I get what you guys are trying to say but most people aren't stealing to feed their babies or provide them with diapers. Most of the people are stealing so they can sell it on the streets. Where WIC and welfare can't help pay for it.

I swear, have any of you been poor ever?

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago

Meh.

Even if 90% of theft is greed and meant to be resold for profit, I'll still ignore it for the 10% that are stealing out of extreme desperate necessity.

We live in a country that has 100 billionaires that are undeserved and unearned, arguably. You can become a Millionaire solely by making YouTube videos stuffing your face full of fast food and gaining 500lbs, as a freakshow that gets lots of likes/subscribes. All while public school teachers are on food stamps and infrastructure around the country is degrading and not being improved, etc., etc.

The system we have is trash. Obviously I don't support stealing from the little guy, but theft from large corporations I'll always support. Large corporations inherently steal from the poor, directly and indirectly. It's inherent to our capitalist system.

I support the sentiment of the meme.

[–] CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com 14 points 5 months ago

The people who are buying it off the street can't afford it full price. So what is your point exactly?

[–] xenoclast@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Who cares? The point is, it's NOT YOUR CONCERN.

No matter what to the rhetoric says, it will never ever impact you in any way.

Let people be. The world is a fucking disaster. Make it better by treating people respectfully and working to dismantle the horrible system that got us here.

[–] iamtrashman1312@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I have been poor, yes! Have you ever been outside? Do you think there are diaper black markets? Do you think everyone stealing to make ends meet qualifies for WIC in the first place?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Hey, you guys think maybe the guy with the racist username isn't an honest actor?

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You never wondered about that person at the flea market selling Tide and baby formula?

There absolutely is a "black market".

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[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I respect that. To me this is just a meme, and honestly I don't think anything I say should be taken seriously. Which is also true for this comment.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If it helps, people are absolutely stealing food for themselves and their babies:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/the-desperate-reality-of-stealing-baby-formula-because-you-cant-afford-it_uk_64635704e4b09eef8308cfc6

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[–] neomachino@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I grew up below the dirt poor, like oodles and noodles were a treat poor, with no adult supervision for a good portion of my childhood. My mom was on basically every government program that existed, that didn't mean I got anything out of it. The only reason I survived was by people looking the other way as I fed myself.

As I got older I had no life skills whatsoever and couldn't hold down a job, friends, or any sort of meaningful relationship. So again, dirt poor, a little better off than I was before because there were a few ways to make money. But still I only ever got food at a store, and probably would have starved if too many people said something, or had to do even worse stuff than I was to feed myself.

Hell even when I got myself together a bit and held down a shitty job for a while I still couldn't afford to feed myself after the bills hit, it was even worse when I started making just enough to get kicked off state insurance and stamps.

There are a lot of people out here just trying to survive, they shouldn't have to steal to eat but they do and in my eyes that's a human right.

Side note: food stamps are a fucking joke. What they're giving to a family of 4 wouldn't feed a single person, from my experience at least.

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[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

I don't care why they steal. Let them do it. They aren't robbing a mom and pa shop, because they don't exist anymore. Stealing from capitalists isn't a crime. It's not even stealing, it's taking back what they stole. It's Your duty.

[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Who sells diapers on the streets? I don't know where You live, but I'm not seeing many diaper dealers on the streets in my town.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mentioned this the last time there was a "hur dur stealing is fine" thread, but I once watched two guys steal hundreds of pounds (currency, not weight) of meat from a supermarket. They obviously did this to sell it on, but many of the comments here were saying not to side with shareholders or that the store could handle the losses no problem.

Tell someone that is actually struggling about shoplifting, and many of them will say there are two minds to this: you're either desperate or stupid. It's clear as day when someone is desperate (i.e. stealing formula - frankly if they got caught I'd pay for it for them and would happily give them all of my newborn stuff that I no longer use for free), but it's also really fucking obvious when someone is doing it to be a cunt.

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[–] shani66@ani.social 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The only time I've ever cared about someone shoplifting was when they stole from the store i was working at and, this is the important part here, tried to act like i was too stupid to get they were stealing. My dude, i don't care if you are stealing, just walk out, i couldn't stop you even if i cared, but please skip the stupid excuse making.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

I mean, same, but for different reasons than most of the people in this thread. Obviously if someone is stealing out of necessity, that's understandable - but regardless of motive, I'm not going to speak up about theft in any case except maybe a mom-and-pop store where I both personally know and like the owners, because loss from theft is something that stores necessarily need to address and plan for in their own business model.

I'm not the store's fucking employee, and if the store is expecting customers to pull double duty as security guards or lookouts, they're fucking deluded. That's not going to fix what is essentially a problem with the safeguards in place - if the ship is leaking, asking the passengers to bail water is a temporary and unreliable solution. This is a business transaction; I'm here to get and pay for the shit I need, not watch over the shit I don't for the sake of your bottom line. Sort your own shit; you've got an entire firm's worth of resources to figure it out. I'm just trying to get by without pulling labor for every fucking firm I go to.

[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So You turn into a double pirate?

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Can't copyright methods of theft I guess

[–] xenoclast@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you're really feeling based.. you can help them out too. I'm not saying you are required or should feel obligated.. but hey, helping people eat is a pretty decent thing to do.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It is indeed. Help them to steal the floorboards. It's the right thing to do.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Crenshaw but based.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Winshaw, his theoretical antiperson.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 5 points 5 months ago

Very Ethical Life Protip: If the baby formula is locked up, the cabinets used by most retailers use a universal lock and you can buy your own key pretty cheap.