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This has happened once before and they reversed it. But they said this last time too:

The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 309 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (45 children)

Lemmy world:

Users, not even on Lemmy World or directly affected by this:

Pissed Pikachu with torch and pitchfork

I'm not in the loop or even involved with LW's admin affairs, but I would imagine there was a letter or email to them or their service provider that prompted that and likely named those communities specifically. Going out on a limb, I would guess the community removal was a timely response to something like that, and based on LW's history, an announcement will probably be coming soon-ish.

Before you grab your torches and pitchforks, remember: Pretty much every Lemmy instance is run by volunteers that don't have legal departments.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 129 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

"The cloud is just other people's computers" - It's inconvenient, but those computers are real, physical objects subject to oversight from real, physical law enforcement.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 21 points 3 months ago

"but it's not my computer, so you should be willing to host any of it"

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 75 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Remember: Pretty much every Lemmy instance is run by volunteers that don’t have legal departments

One lawsuit can shut them down.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 47 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Never understood people who don't get this.

As a person who is part of open source communities, on various chairs and donates, the money is extremely slim, and the people involved just want to build cool things.

We are busy trying to keep the lights on for hundreds of thousands of people can enjoy this service. And if a small group of troublemakers force us to get a strong legal threat, we aren't risking the the project's survival for them.

Especially when we don't know the troublemakers, don't have any connection with them, they don't contribute to the platform, etc.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 59 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

Evidence No. 3783 that "social media" and "privacy" do not mix well together.

Let me repeat one more time:

  • anything you write online should be considered public.
  • There is no "consent-based" fediverse.
  • There is no "GDPR protects me from that".
  • There is no "security through obscurity".
  • There is no "dark corner of the internet".

No matter your morals and ethical values, If you need to have any type of conversation that you think might get you in legal trouble, do not have this conversation in a public forum. Use #matrix if you have to, and even then you'd still need to worry large group chats which may have some undercover agent.

And if you are really concerned about "censorship", then ActivityPub is not for you. Go join forces with the bitcoiners and use #nostr.

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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 41 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah like.

This isn't reddit dot com opaquely purging your favourite subreddit for some unspecific corporate reason.

The admins stated quite clearly why they are blocking it ("we don't want trouble, and our TOS lay out that we'll defed from illegal shit for our own safety"), and it is their instance. And unlike Reddit -- The community is still THERE in its home server. It has not been burninated. -- You can just. Make an account elsewhere. It's free. It takes less than 5 minutes. You can even KEEP your LW account for other communities.

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[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

This is precisely it.
One other point is, some instance want to focus on certain things, and take the risks, where others don't.
Our community feddit.uk doesn't do nsfw, because it's not worth the headache for what our main focus is.
The guy running lemmynsfw on the other hand, is enthusiastically embracing the challenges involved, and more power to him!

And in the end, it works. We handle Mr. Brains Pork Balls, they can handle...other balls.

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[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 112 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Great thing about the fediverse is that you have options when admin/moderation actions occur that you don’t agree with. If Reddit were to remove /r/piracy then we’d have no recourse

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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 102 points 3 months ago (12 children)

ITT: People who think lemmy.world is equal to Lemmy.

Go join another instance folks.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 25 points 3 months ago

Yep, this is why I have multiple Lemmy accounts. That's even one of the biggest strengths of Lemmy.

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[–] halm@leminal.space 75 points 3 months ago

This is why you don't sign up with the biggest possible instances, eventually they will become the biggest possible bottleneck in a network. Anything dot world admins do will affect all of their users, that shouldn't be surprising 🤷

As for dbzer0, this might affect users in the short term but eventually people will figure out how to access the sub from more friendly instances.

[–] ExcursionInversion@lemmy.world 71 points 3 months ago (16 children)

Stop crying about it and just join a new instance, pretty simple.

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Yeah that. And I say it as someone who, on a good day, will go on philosophical rambles about how piracy is in fact the moral thing to do.

Do people just not get that this is the entire point of a decentralized system?

Hop accounts, you lil' bitch. Don't sit in one server complaining about the owner of that server when you have a billion options.

And if your priority is the piracy community? Make the server that hosts that your homeserver.

Or just have more than one account and use an app instead of the default webpage.

It's not rocket science. People's brains are poisoned by centralization. Back in my day everything was its own separate forum with its own separate account and to be honest, it was miles better like that.

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[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 18 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I did that the last time and moved here ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Better management, no censorship, better uptimes and quicker upgrades, no need to look back (I moved "momentarily").

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[–] moon@lemmy.cafe 67 points 3 months ago (5 children)

This isn't reddit. There's a clear solution here: decentralization. Aka, like the entire point why we're on Lemmy in the first place. Join another instance lol.

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[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 3 months ago (4 children)
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[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 51 points 3 months ago (30 children)

I'm surprised the major Lemmy servers even permit piracy related content in the first place. Half the Fediverse seems to be hosted in Germany, probably one of the worst countries to host piracy related content.

The .world team should definitely make a statement before banning stuff just to avoid this kind of drama, but piracy communities are not worth the moderation hassle and legal risk for a silly side project like Lemmy.

If I were you, I wouldn't expect the same privacy protections Reddit provides for their users when copyright owners start sending legal threats. These instances barely collect enough donations to cover server costs, nobody is going to pay an expensive lawyer to protect your IP address if your server gets sued.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 35 points 3 months ago

Yeah people are really weird about this. They want a free distributed forum hosted by small admins, but don't want those individuals to take basic legal precautions? Piracy might be moral, but it's a liability which will absolutely impact the viability of servers in many places. Grow up.

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[–] tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 51 points 3 months ago
[–] PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 3 months ago (8 children)

What a bunch of fucking clowns.

Anyways.... !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 35 points 3 months ago (2 children)

When "reddit outside of reddit" does reddit things 🫨

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

To be fair, Rudd is just a hobbyist who runs .world in his spare time. If he’s getting legal pressure, he’s probably going to cover his ass. He’s not a company with a legal dept. He’s a guy with a family and a day job.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sad that antipiracy laws are in place.

But understandable that lemmy.world protect themselves against those unfair laws.

The sailing will continue, but, as always, we should be wary of the "navy" and sail with precaution.

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[–] RandomStickman@kbin.run 22 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Does removing mean defederate?

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[–] PoliticallyIncorrect@lemm.ee 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Can confirm, moved out of lemmy.world by this bullshit.

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[–] Iapar@feddit.de 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Spin up a piracy instance on a server in China or Russia and be done with it.

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The pirates will simply move to another Lemmy Instance and re-create the group there. This is the advantage of having a decentralized platform: so one person or small group of people can't ruin things for the rest of us.

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[–] Carlo@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 months ago

Oh, noes! There's only like a billion other instances you can access it from.

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