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Bernie Sanders unveils 32-hour workweek bill with no loss in pay for workers (thehill.com)
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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Bernie is an example of what a progressive politician actually looks like.

American politicians (Republicans AND Democrats) have been moving steadily to the right for the last 40 years. So now, Democrats are where the Republicans were in the 1980s, boring corporatists and friends of banks, pharmaceutical and insurance companies.

And the Republicans have moved all the way into an insane asylum. They long for the "good old days" of company towns, run by 19th century robber barons and worry that the six corporations that control all our news are the "liberal news media."

[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Bernie: Here’s a bill that will help literally everyone. People waste less of their lives at work, and productivity goes up massively for the corporate overlords. There is no downside here for anyone.

Everyone: Shut up, hippy.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Everyone: Shut up, hippy.

They've been telling him that since he was being arrested for protesting for civil rights and Joe Biden was fighting against school busing...

Their stupid bullshit hasn't stopped him yet

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Bernie is still the only politician I have donated to but to be fair to Biden, bussing was met with violent protests and even black activists criticized it for weakening black communities. There were good reasons to be against that method without being against desegregation.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately that’s a fairly naive take that fails to consider how most people work in the US- hourly employees would be fucked by this.

Retail, service, anyone whose not already working 9-5 office jobs; the reality is that they won’t loose pay, but they will loose hours. And you can bet your ass that companies won’t pay more to make up for it.

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If it's mandated by law they will. As they do in other countries.

[–] Blooper@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 3 months ago

Yup. These "free market" folks conveniently forget that competition is bolstered when there's a floor. An impartial referee to call balls, strikes, and fouls. A set of rules everyone has to play by, or they don't get to play at all.

Also known as regulation.

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

We need this so fucking bad. As a species, not just America or the wealthy nations only. Everyone.

And this should just be a transitionary period down to a 24 or less hour work week. Fuck slaving away at shit jobs just to make billionaires.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yea, slaving away should be purely optional. If you love your job or you love money or you want to keep yourself distracted AND make money at the same time, by all means, knock yourself out and work 60 hour weeks.

It's a failure of the system if people have to work full time to scrape by with the very bare necessities and live in poverty, with all the nasties that come with it. America coined the term "working poor" (obligatory meme so we're on the same page)

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Full Employment and Zero Protests go hand-in-hand.

As soon as unemployment figures start climbing (2008, 2014, 2016, COVID-2020) people hit the streets and cops start working a lot of extra overtime.

Imagine if people had a whole third weekend day to themselves. Imagine what they could spend their time doing that wasn't entirely predicated on enriching their bosses?

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

We need this so fucking bad.

Of course we do, so do the corporations, though they don't realize it. With happier workers you get more profits.

Call your House of Representative member and let them know that.

If we citizens don't apply the pressure, nothing will happen.

And if your cynical about doing that, try it anyway, just as an experiment, to see what happens. Hell, even make a YouTube video about your experience doing so, for content.

Just say "Please let my representative know that I am in favor of the Bernie Sanders bill (Thirty-Two Hour Workweek Act) for a 32 hour work week."

It's just a phone call. A 32 hour work week is worth a single phone call, right?

[–] Woht24@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

https://youtu.be/00npeUY_1Vg?si=rPbXUkUQjnLQb0ea

Don't get me wrong, I love me some Futurama, but you're going to have to elaborate on this reply, and how it relates to my comment about contacting your house representative.

"I don't miss twice Campers."

I loved that line.

[–] Woht24@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

I was jokingly suggesting that unhappy workers are actually more productive but in reality I'm 100% with you.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Looking at the productivity gains, vs income gains since 1970, I would say that we need an 8 hour work week. We are producing well over 7 times as much stuff and economic value as we were in 1970

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -1 points 3 months ago

vs income gains since 1970

I hope you do correct for inflation.

[–] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes I imagine what America would be like if Bernie had enough votes to pass his bills.

[–] 00x0xx@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I always vote for him when he's at the polls, since 2 decades ago. But the oligarchy of this nation will never allow him in position of power to implement these changes.

The reality of America is that our owners have no interest in making life better for the us, the common man, their only interest to bleed us as much as they can for their own selfish agenda. And the American people are collectively still too stupid to understand how it all works.

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

While a small tangent, I agree. I used to work 4x10 each week. Had done that for over a decade. Having a 3 day weekend really helped. When I got my current position I was moved to 5x8. I'm now endlessly tired, I can't get the weekend projects done, etc. Because you're just getting out of work, or getting ready to start work again, there's no break. So if this ends up being 4x8, that would be great! Keep my hours and get my weekend back. Though I assume corporate USA will find some way to muck it up, like the RTO bullshit.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This sounds awesome. Here's what I wanna know though:

What stops your boss from then saying "You better stop at 31.95 hours or you're in trouble." Because they don't wanna pay overtime? They already do this in a lot of jobs.

So, you'd need additional pay to compensate for less hours, but now you have a two-pronged battle because that just sounds way too lovely.

And I'm guessing a lot of the "exempt" office workers that grind themselves into dust the hardest won't be affected?

I mean hey, I'd rather it just passes and we see what happens, and keep fixing it as it goes, at least it's something! But the hardest part is blocking your bosses from weaseling around laws and screwing you anyway.

[–] muddybulldog@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

having your boss say “stop” at 32 hours is the intent of the bill.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Correct. But that's the issue right now. People look at the equation all wrong and say "I just wish I could get more hours!" instead of fighting for reasonable pay. If hours go down but pay doesn't go up to compensate, a ton of people will actually get hit really hard by this and their lives will get worse instead of better.

Companies can use that tired, stupid line that "Washington says you don't have the eagle-screeching-freedom-right to WORK! How dare they!" and people will buy it.

We don't want that, because it'll turn workers against worker-friendly politics, and that would be a Very Bad Thing, given the level of job-simp-indoctrination we're already combating! :O

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He also spoke earlier about Israel breaking the US law by disrupting Us Humanitarian Aid.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So that's two things the rest of the party will ignore him on?

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Tbf they ignore him on everything and that's why I do too. He's been in politics forever and can't get anything done ever. Sure it's the fault of the party for ignoring his good ideas, but it's also his for being so bad at politics that he can't even get the backing of his own party. How was he ever going to beat Trump if not even the Democrats like him? He says nice things but he's ineffectual

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Bernie Sanders is an Independent, he runs in the Democratic primaries for the Democratic Presidential nomination but he sits in Congress as an Independent.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Even less effective

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nobody would be good enough.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I mean they have to be good enough to win right? And Bernie can't, he's proven he can't win. So what's the point of him but words?

In any case Bernie is old as shit, that's why I don't want him. I honestly laugh at the hypocrisy of his supporters calling out the age of Biden, Trump, Pelosi and McConnell, while asking for Bernie.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

You misunderstand. Nobody would be good enough for YOU. You will find something else to be angry over and will project it there.