I read "brutish" as "british" on first glance
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More often than not that has been the case :)
Much less often than not, by a colossal margin. They did have a good run, though.
Which surprisingly does not change the meaning, as one would think it would.
Same, and I was like well if the shoe fits...
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Are the brits a tit again
This feels dangerously close to some EnlightenedCentrism nonse
Yeah i've learned not to trust this kind of simmetrical worldview, even when it makes me feel smart for being above it.
I'm not sure whether the version of this I saw previously was the original and this post was cropped, or if this post is the original and the other text was added later. But I much prefer the context here:
Ahh see this I can get behind, reminds me of the Soviet anti alcohol poster that's become a meme too
Good original intent, less good modern applications
The dawn of nationalism was definitely the mistake of the previous age I think. Peoples should be able to self govern autonomously, but not under a guise of "the nation" which inherently forms an out group to be excluded.
I like the Arabic/American way to do it, "You wanna be one of us? Well then you're already half way there!"
I speak very little Arabic but my teacher has told me that I already know enough to get the long list cousin's welcome among most L1 speakers lol.
What do you mean?
It is quite literally implying "both sides actually same!"
It's addressing the concept of demonization, a la Israel and Palestine. It's via these mechanisms that other people are dehumanized.
Not Karen v Karen at the pta meeting.
Aww yes enlightened centralism
Miss.
Again it's about any group demonizing another.
The process of generating the "subhuman" other based on misinformation.
It's not about holding people to their honest record.
Playing the middle and saying "both sides" is completely different than what this image is displaying.
Miss.
Again it is about exactly what I said. "Our glorious leader" is not about other people it is both sideism.
It's about playing both sideism.
What side are you on in Russia-Ukraine? No question dodging "enlightened centralist".
Can you talk without using buzzwords and pop-quizzes on irrelevant shit?
After we stop pretending that the morally superior view is one where everyone is equally awful.
Being sympathetic I get what the picture is trying to convey. Really ask yourself if different is worse or is it just different.
Being realistic it smells of in every conflict everyone involved is evil. And that simply is not always true. Giving a real world example is the invasion of the Ukraine. There is no both sides in this. One is a democracy the other is a dictatorship. One is defending their homeland and the other is invading. One of it loses is looking at genocide and the other if it loses has some egg on their face. They are not the same.
So far all you've figured out is that this meme must not be about Ukraine then! And yet you're still talking about it. You only want to disagree. That's why you're posting. That's why you're responding to me. That's why you're here. You want to disagree with shit to feel intellectually superior, and the hilarious part is that you are disagreeing with something on the grounds that they just a make a ploy at intellectual superiority! And by the way, calling this "enlightened centrism" just for the purposes of disagreeing with it is actually making a strawman, not whatever that other comment was.
Yeah yeah I suck get in line and take a number. At least I am not a Putin stooge.
Please point to literally anyone in this thread that is defending Putin or trying to say it's about "both sides" in that war specifically.
Here, I can do it. I can do the magical thing that you want:
Putin bad. Russian invasion of Ukraine bad.
I'll go even further:
Netanyahu bad. Palestinian genocide bad.
Also, and you'll be shocked to hear that multiple things can be true at the same time:
Xenophobia bad.
Is that... what you wanted?
You.
Holy shit, you read the first sentence and just fired that off, didn't you?
You have to keep reading.
No.
"No." what? "No." you won't keep reading beyond the first sentence, or "No." you didn't fire that off after only reading the first sentence? Those are contradictory.
But I'm not going to play dumb. I know your terse responses are to signal that you aren't taking me seriously and you're treating my words with contempt. I get it.
But the weird thing is that you're all over this thread challenging people to disavow putin, and the moment somebody does, you won't even acknowledge it. Is that because you put so much stock in the idea that we're enlightened centrists that you didn't actually bother to form a coherent thought beyond that?
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I think about this whenever I see legislative efforts to "prevent disinformation" XD
I hate disinformation as much as the next guy, but we gotta be careful who we give charte blanche to censor information XD
What I get from this image is that one side will call the other side evil while the other side will do the same
It's best to look at the actions of a person or group rather than what they state they are doing
PURPLE GOOD YELLOW BAD 😤😤
Typical sense of entitlement from a purple, they're all the same, that primitive purple brain can't comprehend other light waves exist.
Nation-states were a bad idea
Alternatives?
I see 2:
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full hegemonic domination of one nation state where everyone gets their basics met. Star trek style.
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intense local tribalism where you're doing a whole lot more defending your land than you are now
Or maybe there’s a dozen alternatives that could work better and both of us are staring at this from the bottom of a pro-hierarchy well that we’ve been stuck in ever since one guy convinced another one he should be in charge.
I don’t have a full solution, I just want us to be flexible enough to figure one (or more) out.
“The international ideal unites the human race”
One guy will always convince another of that. If the other guy disagrees, well, time for sticks and stones.
My point is you either go small, and groups self assemble however you want, but you'll have many neighbors who might not see it your way.
Or you go big, and everyone's efforts go to one shared goal, and everyone is a equal "citizen". Ideally with collective shared goals folks are doing ok.
Or you go medium, which is what we have now. Some groups are positioned and prepared to do good stuff, and others are fighting with and nail just to hold it together. There's gonna be friction with neighbors, like with "small" but the problem is "mediums" got some real big sticks and stones.
There's no right answer and I obviously didn't cover everything. But without groups of some kind, people will get picked off. There's no period of human history that disagrees with me.
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Rule of the world. The most violent ape gets to continue his lineage. To continue to pretend that we're more than violent apes is naive.
We’re stuck in the uncontrolled greed model without a good direction out. With greed being a basic instinct, I’d agree with you. Not everyone is like this, but power lies elsewhere in the arms of billionaires.
"Shogun" tackles this really well.
This and the rabbit/duck flag.
I mean I would rather be caught dead than be purple
I feel like the artist originally wanted to make this primarily medieval themed. But then realisied "Oh yeah, news and stuff are a thing." And then just added laptops and antennas.
It’s been added on to. The original didn’t have the radio towers or “time out” area
Except that,
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Our objective news - is really just a mess of different slants, some being propaganda, that are not censured even when their content approaches slander due to heavy political bias.
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Our combating disinformation - is largely unexisting to the point that several large social media providers have abolished or acted against the control they had for doing so and that their CEOs shamelessly meet with presidential candidates with ties to them.
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Our glorious leader - is hardly accepted as a glorious leader and the portion of the society that does also tend to have absolutely no qualms about becoming more authoritarian by their own admission.
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Our great religion - is criticized within the country and an increasing number of people are becoming atheists.
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Our noble populace - Our heroic adventures - Ok, who is writing this meme? Who thinks their society thinks this way? Half the other populace disagrees with the other half, even going so far as to be described as hate, and any mythos of heroic is easily dismissed the moment it becomes convenient to do so not to mention the amount of criticism armed forces get.
This is whataboutism 101. Not all sides are completely black and white, but not all sides are equally grey.
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