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[–] Bristle1744@lemmy.today 43 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Cause preachers can talk about Jihads against atheists on talk shows, but somebody says god isn't real and everything they are connected to gets examined for not complying with the first amendment.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Yup. Even 'tolerant' religions go batshit when they encounter unbelievers. It's like you can root for any team, but if you decline the entire sportsball thing, YOU GOTTA FUCKIN DIE

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[–] vinter@mander.xyz 41 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I see no more need to announce I don't believe in the Christian god than there I see need to announce I don't believe in Zeus. Both questions are completely irrelevant to my life

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[–] DingoBilly@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago (7 children)

The US is a wild wild place. So backwards in many ways.

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[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Just not even really worth 'coming out'. Why deal with all the arguments that are likely to crop up from it? When I was the angsty teenage atheist I got off on that shit. Now...im over it.

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Yeah, it's not like you're changing anyone's mind anyway, so why waste the energy and social capital? I'll sometimes ask follow-up questions to get them thinking, but no reason to poke the bear by announcing that you're the devil.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (9 children)

It's a bit sad that "coming out" as an Atheist is even a thing. Where I'm from it's basically the assumption. I've met a few people that mention that they're religious before and my reaction is always an astonished "but they seemed so normal."

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[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago (10 children)

I used to be more forward about it, just to make sure people were aware to try to avoid awkwardness down the road. Turns out, some folks just hyper focused on it and only defined me by the one thing.

  • I had one person break down crying. That was the single most awkward as I got dirty looks from other people in the room who had no idea about the conversation.
  • I've had multiple people tell me I'm unworthy of love and commitment. And while not said, by their actions might as well, unworthy of basic respect.
  • I've had multiple people try "converting" me.
  • I've had some people send people to my homes and stalk me. Primary reason I have a Nest doorbell and want to know exactly when someone is going to show up to visit.
  • I've had multiple people try various intimidation tactics to try to "convince" me to join their church.
  • I had one person bust out laughing at me when I said I more closely line up with secular humanism.
  • I was questioned multiple times why I'd show up to someone's wedding... (not a wedding crasher, they basically assume only religious people get married, and that atheists cannot support others in their life paths)

I've since stopped telling people or making it even known at all.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This was my thing. I'm not a atheist, but the moment I talk about religion, it becomes "the thing". I imagine this is what vegans have to deal with, like the moment they share... It becomes a shit show of people questioning everything. And like bruh, let them eat vegan marshmellows and pray to Cthulhu.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

I didn't meant to type a long wall of text but here goes anyway.

Yeah, people here are dismissive of the news headline, but I have a similar experience coming out as agnostic atheist. Luckily, I did not get as much as negative experience as you have, but when I came out, I was tried to be invited twice on separate occasions into Christian prayer meetings. Naive me didn't realise that both invitations are more like trying to get me "back into the flock".

On the second invitation, I went along just to see how it was. After the second prayer session I attended, I said don't want to go anymore. I had a long "debate" with the pastor on the phone to try to make me at least a believer in any religions. There was a bit of condescension in the conversation and kind of implied I am going to hell. The thing is, or rather problem for him, is that I don't feel or see whatever religious folks see even when I was going to church. So, I don't feel at least bit intimadated by threat of hell. The OG Judaism and Old Testament don't even believe in hell so why should Christians and Muslims do as well?

Not to mention, religions across the world have conflicting claims of historical and scientific realities. If they all conflict with each other and could not agree which is the correct one, then religions themselves are false. If there are universal scientific truth to each of their claims and basis, then one religion in one part of the world should have the same or similar accounts to another religious belief on the other side of the world. But that is not the case.

I told the last paragraph to the pastor and we were pushing back each other. I do not like to de-convert people from religion but he was trying to re-convert me so I laid down all the heavy stuff to him, despite signalling that I don't want to continue the conversation in the first twenty minutes.

I admit that I have had cognitive dissonance the following day and think "what if I'm wrong?" I simply re-think back that religious accounts conflict with each other and therefore not real. Also, it dawned on me that my emotions is probably more that I feel offended trying to be re-converted and being condescended. Conversely, the pastor must have thought I am a devil tempting him away from religion, lol.

Since then, I don't tell people I'm agnostic atheist. Christians (and Islam) feel religious obligations to convert as many people as possible. That's how they survive. I didn't think much about proselytising before but I realised that the practice is rather condescending and gives them superiority complex. This is not to say that there aren't militant atheist, but the religious zealots are more adamant from what I observed.

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[–] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 8 months ago (8 children)

We're not afraid to come out, we just don't talk about it because religion isn't important to us and we don't feel compelled to have everyone believe in the same thing as us.

Now may you be touched by thy noodley appendage

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's like disliking avocado and telling everyone you meet that you don't like avocado. Telling someone something you're not isn't a character trait, so there's no reason to bring it up.

Unless of course it's a defense against people pushing their beliefs on you.

"You should eat this avocado"

"No thanks, I don't like avocado"

"You're going to go to hell for that."

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

there are totally people who dont want to be found out, cause of familial or work repercussions.

Its not uncommon for people to have to hide things like lack of faith, sexuality, "wrong" thought, etc for a variety of reasons.

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[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago

When i lived in big cities on the West coast i was open in my Atheism. Now that i live in rural Michigan... I keep it to myself

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (9 children)

America as a whole needs to ensure following secular ideals for its public policies and laws.

I don’t mind people using religion in their personal lives for whatever reason, but it does seem like there’s a delusion driven community level effect that leaks out from temples, churches, mosques etc. It seems most of these people “mean well” but they don’t realize how much unintentional harm they’re doing. The Satanic temple type people adding fuel to the fire of religious zealots are making things worse.

In general, I hope it becomes taboo and outlawed to base rules or laws around mythology-based scripture. Where is this social movement? I get fuck cars and all, but secular humanism is seriously needed as a mainstream social movement everywhere, locally and globally.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

your yearly PSA on the TST and COS:

some clarification here. The satanic temple, or the TST as it's known is actually really based, while it is "satanic" that's mostly a funny haha thing, the majority of it is mostly based around being a religion that isn't awful. I.E. being nice to people, because you should do that.

A lot of flak they've gotten is for things like putting a satanic club into a school (that school had a bible study club) and various other shenanigans, notably the one satan con thing they had, where people protested, but inside it was pretty chill. It's performance art and statement pieces primarily, which are perfectly apt, i feel. Freedom of religion and all. It seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Anyway, the point i came here to make was that the TST is the good one, and the church of satan, or COS, is the less based one, for instance, they believe that consuming blue cheese makes you gay. That's like the religion religion one. Nobody likes that one.

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[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I mean in the US at least, it could become VERY dangerous to not be an evangelical Christian cultist. (Much less a atheist)

If the Orange Man becomes dictator in November, shit is going to get bad quickly.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago (3 children)

If the Orange Man becomes dictator in November, shit is going to get bad quickly.

I'm ethnically Jewish. My daughter is half-Jewish and queer. My wife is a librarian. We're all atheists.

Needless to say, we're making contingency plans.

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[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Which is quite fascinating since he's made it very obvious that he himself doesn't know jack shit about Christianity and that he's not a believer. I'm an atheist myself and I've never seen a person more lost and uninterested when speaking about Christianity than him.

[–] Halasham@dormi.zone 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Really reminds me of the Association of German National Jews and their sad decision to endorse Adolf Hitler. We're frequently presented with the assertion that people, in-general, are rational when they evidentially are not.

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[–] grimsolem@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

https://onlysky.media/hemant-mehta/in-2021-atheists-made-up-only-0-1-of-the-federal-prison-population/

A 2017 study found that people believe atheists are more likely to be serial killers than believers, even though federal data suggests they are far less likely to commit crimes than religious people.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Hmm.

One group uses the threat of eternal damnation to compel moral behaviour, the other has no external compulsion*.

Which group is likely to have more "good" members?

* Yeah, laws? Social etiquette?

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[–] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

While I was in the angry atheist online camp when I was the only atheist I knew and needed a community, I've since evolved into an apathetic view of individual belief.

Screaming at the thumpers won't do any good. Eye-rolls are more effective. And explaining religion to the young is as simple as saying it's just something some people do, like sports.

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[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (5 children)

The boldest claim to make when it comes to the existence of a "god" is that we don't know. No one fucking knows. One thing I do know is that the fundamentals of physics are beautiful no matter how it came to be. People hate not being able to explain things so they made shit up as they went, such that the idea of "god" was created.

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[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Because theres nothing to fucking evangelize lol. "Excuse me ma'am, do you have time to discuss our lord and savior, nobody?"

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

I have the opposite problem. I'm a complete atheist, but having been a devout Christian for 35 years I don't want to explain it to anyone, or Cthulhu forbid, present them an opportunity to get that free toaster by advertising my availability for conversion, so I just don't.

But I can't stop the horrified sneer. I've tried. But what they talk about, what they preach, what they insist is Christianity, is anything but. I mean, I know this distinction is just mythology vs. mythology to a number of folks here (and with exceptionally good reason, lol) but having been an actual scholar of it, it's literally revolting.

It's not just that the Christians of antiquity would be horrified and repulsed, it's also that the Christians of just forty years ago would be repulsed. I don't even give a shit anymore, it's not real, but jesus fucking christ get your lies straight, people.

So whether I'm an atheist or I'm a Christian, they all hate me: if I speak in Christian I end up poking holes in the bullshit without even meaning to just by referring to the classic belief system once known as Christianity, but if I don't speak then I'm not openly agreeing with them (they sure as fuck know Matthew 12:30/Luke 11:23) and they take that shit very personally: either way I'm automatically outgrouped.

Which may not actually be a problem, now that I think about it: they're self-selecting out. Okay, never mind. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest, lol.

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[–] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I was raised religious and walked away from my faith the day it became my choice, 18. I haven’t been in a church since – that was nearly 20 years ago.

Still to this day I’ll have to gently remind my family I’m atheist about twice a year, and they’re still equally shocked and horrified every time.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Saying 'i don't believe in any of the mainstream man made higher.powers' is coming out? Strange times we live in.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

Strange times in strange places.

In the American "Bible belt" being known as an atheist is becoming a social pariah.

It can put your employment at risk.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm a bit surprised with the number of religious people I know irl tbh. I've only met maybe one other atheist at school. These people realized that their ancestors believed in another religion and were probably killed and forced to convert right? Probably about half are actually just agnostic and the remaining full believers.

I mean I'm not trying to convert anybody I'm just tryna understand why.

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[–] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago

poor default country problem.

I stopped mentioning my atheism because it's so common among my sociodemographic environment that it's not anything interesting.

If anything, when casually cracking another "religion bad" joke at work, I'd better check if someone is maybe religious, and I really don't want to insult them.

-- millennial yurobro

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