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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yup. Even 'tolerant' religions go batshit when they encounter unbelievers. It's like you can root for any team, but if you decline the entire sportsball thing, YOU GOTTA FUCKIN DIE

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

YOU GOTTA FUCKIN DIE

Bit hyperbolic (for most people lol)

It's more like "you and everything you stand for is unbound by morality, and you pose a threat to my entire worldview through your thoughts and ideas alone."

[–] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah we should use something more politically correct like "you will burn in hell for eternity"

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

True lol, talking to my Christian friends about hell is wild. The worst people imaginable can go to eternal paradise if they believe in God, but queer agnostic atheists like me get eternal torture for thought crimes.

And they'll openly admit that they don't think I deserve hell, but they still call it just and moral if I get sent there. Which is incredible, because it seems like they feel like it's wrong, yet won't call it wrong because the morals created by the men who came before them are objectively right and can't be questioned.

The other baffling thing is that they'll say owning slaves is wrong now because those parts of the Bible are outdated, yet still say it's just to torture homosexuals for eternity and cite those same "outdated" books of the Bible.

/rant

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You ever ask them why do they think a God with those values is one worth worshipping?

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Nope, but I'm pretty sure they'd say something like "we're not omniscient, we can't understand God's will"

To which I'd probably say it's funny how "God's will" looks a hell of a lot like what we'd expect to see if God didn't exist

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

their morality is hilarious - and that they view it as intrinsic to their religion and would go murderhappy without it's constraints, or if the right imaginary friend told them to - illustrates my fear that out atheists in many places are at risk.

A few examples:

christian fascists insist we'll have freedom of religion, but not freedom from religion. even though the supreme court has long held "no religion" is a religion.

In Islam, if you're a jew or christian, you can pay a fee and practice your faith. Think they extend that to atheism?

Indonesia for example:

https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2012-02-09/indonesia-atheist-to-be-charged-with-blasphemy/

https://www.atheismandthecity.com/2013/12/dont-cry-for-me-indonesia.html

But hardly limited there -

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2019/11/saudi-arabia-categorizing-feminism-atheism-homosexuality-as-crimes-exposes-the-kingdoms-dangerous-intolerance/#:~:text=Atheism%20is%20illegal%20and%20is,from%20for%20it's%20legal%20framework.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-where-atheists-receive-death-penalty.html

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In my experience, theists would just want an individual to believe in anything instead of nothing.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"It's ok, you don't have to worry, I've been saved, First Pentagram Church of Manson, HELTER SKELTER BE HIS NAME!"

"Hallelujah!"

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Haha. You joke but that is theist belief in a nutshell. Rather believe in anything to save one's soul in the afterlife than nothing at all and not to go to heaven or some paradise.