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[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 69 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Man, oceanographers have been shouting this for decades. And let's just throw marine biologists/marine chemists in there as well. Ocean currents are stupidly powerful, to have them stop is scary beyond comparison. The warning temperature lifting the calcium carbonate compensation depth, literally acidifying the ocean past the point of habitability for everything but jelly fish... Good bye oxygen. It was fun hanging with y'all, break out the good stuff because you aren't handing it down to the next generation.

[–] Lepsea@sh.itjust.works 49 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It was fun hanging with y'all, break out the good stuff because you aren't handing it down to the next generation.

Parents often say that they love their children and would do anything for them, but they didn't love them enough to give their children a habitable future.

[–] rimu@piefed.social 45 points 8 months ago (15 children)

I don't think that's fair.

If there was something they could do as an individual which would help only their individual child have a habitable future, they would absolutely do it.

Thing is, everything they can do either only works if we all do it or only helps every child equally (a tiiiny bit) while costing the parent individually.

It's a coordination problem. Humans lack the structures to coordinate as a species (the largest unit of coordination we have is a nation and even that doesn't work well).

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[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago

My mum owns a house and everytime they try to build housing around me she tries her best to prevent it.

Kinda miss having my grandparents generation around because they tried and did make the country a better place for their children. They also knew how hard things were (obviously it was way worse for them than for me).

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Man, oceanographers have been shouting this for decades. And let’s just throw marine biologists/marine chemists in there as well. Ocean currents are stupidly powerful, to have them stop is scary beyond comparison. The warning temperature lifting the calcium carbonate compensation depth, literally acidifying the ocean past the point of habitability for everything but jelly fish… Good bye oxygen. It was fun hanging with y’all, break out the good stuff because you aren’t handing it down to the next generation.

[–] potpotato@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

“lifting the calcium carbonate compensation depth”

Wouldn’t increased CaCO3 dissolution increase pH? I’m surely misunderstanding you — presumptively there’s less compensation allowing more CO2 / carbonic acid?

I’m out of my depth…

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[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 66 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I like how my head switched from how scary an alien invasion would be to thinking that aliens coming here and fixing this mess is our only hope at this point

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 33 points 8 months ago (12 children)
[–] sdrawk@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

We'd literally have to halt all emissions and start massive "rewilding" projects to turn this puppy around. Remember 2020 when human industrial activity paused for a while and nature took some time to take a breath? We will need things like that but all the time. Perhaps have arbour day a monthly thing? Perhaps close all factories over the weekend? Perhaps move to 3 day weekends? Perhaps make an ordinance that 50% of each country needs to be natural untouched protected wilderness? Who knows? We need a lot of solutions NOW.

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[–] excitingburp@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure. I'm worried that we're already in the feedback loop.

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure. I'm worried that we're already in the feedback loop.

[–] statist43@feddit.de 10 points 8 months ago

I'm not sure. I'm worried that we're already in the feedback loop.

[–] Takina_sOldPairTM@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Not everyone will be amicable, the capitalist boomers will still hear it in one ear and then let it exit the other ear.

Aliens/"work of God" is needed.

[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

Corporations are hell bent on ushering in an environmental hellscape so they can keep up their profits and they're doing a pretty good job considering how many politicians they have in their pockets.

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[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago

In the 2000's alien adoption stuff and aliens in general was huge. Every week there was another american redneck that got abducted by aliens. I sometimes couldn't sleep at night thinking about it.
Now i fucking wish aliens would abduct me.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 54 points 8 months ago

Meanwhile, some world leaders are absolutely perplexed as to why their citizens aren’t choosing to have children.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 39 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Another 70 degree day! Perfect weather! February is the best time to start spring.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Sure, in Sicily. Not Chicago.

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[–] Squiddly@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

It's still pretty cold here in the PNW. 36°F yesterday morning now 45°F tonight.

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

Scientists, probably: our models or data are incomplete so can’t fully explain or predict this. We should investigate to refine our models

Conservatives, most likely: scientists are wrong about global warming again. Why should we listen to this?

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[–] rab@lemmy.ca 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I used to work with ocean researchers and they are some of the most depressed, heavy drinkers I've ever met. A big reason I moved on from that workplace.

Imagine writing scientific papers on an ocean you already know is dead. Research which is funded by the government, the same people who allow clear cut logging inland which has decimated the salmon population, which is vital to ocean life. So you better not be too loud about that when it's time to apply for more funding.

Clear cut logging, so our useless commonwealth friends over in the Atlantic have wood chips to burn and toilet paper to waste.

Or, the absolute molestation of our mountains so the rest of the world can buy more phones and EVs, which has destroyed said watersheds.

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (3 children)

i'm so glad i don't have to worry about retirement

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm saving for retirement, but I'm not expecting money to matter by the time I get to that age.

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[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

What branch of the military are you hoping to serve in during the Water Wars?

[–] eronth@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Haha, like we will get to pick... we will be in the meat wave corps my brother

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[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Can someone tell me whether sea level rises are still a concern and if so, why no one seems concerned?

When I was a kid that was the big scary climate change thing. I know it's maybe only 50cm but that's still problematic for lots of real estate... isn't it?

Like just the other day I visited an expensive apartment that would've been maybe 50cm above sea level.

[–] Chetzemoka@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The rising of the sea is astronomically slow, so there's a lot of denial about it. It's already a minor (maybe moderate?) problem here on the east coast of the US. Boston, NYC, and Miami are already seeing more flooding during storms than they saw historically.

But if there's someone who is willing to pay for a waterfront property despite the risk, then there will always be someone willing to sell it to them.

But here in Boston, we're finally starting to see new construction projects taking future sea level rise into account: https://www.baysideupdate.com/#:~:text=By%20raising%20the%20Project%20Site,and%20protect%20the%20surrounding%20neighborhood

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 8 months ago

Regular people don't seem concerned because of reporting bias. People that continue to live on coastlines aren't going to be fearful of living on coastlines. Insurance companies are pulling out of Florida for this reason however. Sea level rising is still going to happen.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It remains a concern; and is proceeding at a few mm per year.

I'm seeing it affect local planning in a meaningful way where I live, and is demonstrably affecting property values in low-lying areas.

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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

The problem isn't just the level the seas rise to because of melted glaciers; it's the increase in chaos in weather systems - storm surges like the ones blasting mansions off of cliffsides in cali, crazy flooding, more hurricanes of increased intensity, etc

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[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Florida can't sink quick enough

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago (8 children)

No shit. Well, lots of shit actually. And, it’s about to hit the fan.

I never thought my desire to turn my own game off would actually be an asset, but it sure does make accepting the inevitable an easy pill.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I recommend getting counseling and engaging in activism.

How bad it gets is very much under human control still

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That globe is amazing! i would love to have a globe like that.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 7 points 8 months ago (6 children)
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