And get stuck with Trump cause ... that is a better outcome for Arab Americans?
These guys need to learn to fight the battle in front of them. Not the battle they wish they had. They don't have a pro-and-anti Gaza war Presidental option.
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No, no, you see, MORE minorities suffering is actual Left Praxis
Or fucking something. I can't keep up with the awful takes, honestly. They change all the time.
It's absurd. Biden's position is shit, but at least he's slightly critical of Netenyahu. Trump is quite clearly worse than Biden.
I mean, Trump's position on West Bank settlements is that they're perfectly legal. That what amounts ethnic cleansing in the West Bank is perfectly legal. Biden reversed that, restoring the longstanding policy that it is in fact illegal for Israeli settlers to (violently) chase Palestinians off their land.
I honestly wonder if these people actually give a shit about the Palestinians, or want them to become martyrs for the cause because it's more politically expedient. If deep down they wouldn't rather the Israelis kill as many Palestinians as possible, because they think it'll help them 'win the argument'.
Disgusting.
Does it matter if he critisize Israel or not and declare illegal sentelment illegal when there is zero repercusion on Israel. The US is keeping helping Israel with arms and money. So there is zero difference between Biden and Trump when it comes to helping Palestine
So you'd prefer wholehearted support for Israel instead?
Biden is just hypocrite. Doing nothing concrete to stop Israel crimes is a wholehearted support to it.
Hoo boy. I'd wish you the best of luck with trump, except the rest of us will have to suffer his bullshit as well.
Did you read what I said? Both Trump and Biden are equally terrible when it comes to Palestine
Not even remotely close. If you think Trump would not start a religious war to stay in power - that is kill the Muslims, then you have no idea how power hungry narcissists work.
Except history has time and again given us every example of how they work and think.
They get power by pandering to their base (the Christian right) and killing the supposed enemy of that group - in this case a whole of Muslims and Jews and anyone else.
So yeah you think this is genocide? Oh boy if the president of the US was for genocide the world would be a slaughterhouse.
Wholehearted meaning exactly what? What could Trump have done to handle the situation worse?
Everything! Offer to nuke "the Muslims". Start a larger war with the A-rabs
Then pander to his base and start a real religious war in the middle east so he can be a war time president for the Christian right.
Destroy the NATO coalition.
Enable Russian expansion in all unstable areas.
Fuck everyone and everything. Literally and figuratively.
He could pander to his base with all of this, but he can't really do any of it (except the NATO and Russia parts but those have nothing to do with Palestine). That's what I was talking about; Trump would be spouting genocidal rhetoric but there's very little he can actually do that Biden hasn't already.
You think the President of the United States cannot start a war?
With a rabid Congress and Supreme Court to back him up? The speaker is right wing Christian supremecist. This would sell so fast that it'll make your head spin.
Doesn't the Senate need to allow it first?
Trump is worse but you're just proving that 'The Democrats are blackmailing us. It's like if you don't vote for Biden, Trump will come.' from the article.
Typically people list reasons why I should vote for X candidate and not why Y candidate is bad.
The US has vetoed both ceasefires. They still haven't blocked aid in the form of munitions to Israel. They haven't stopped the Rafah offensive. They pulled funding from UNRWA to shield Israel from the ICJ ruling. I am completely unsure how Trump could be worse on the matter of this genocide. Biden has done everything possible wrong in this situation. That is why I will be abstaining from voting.
The US has vetoed any meaningful policy against Israel as long as I've been alive. Biden isn't going to change that.
If Israel is your one issue, you need to find a different differentiator. Which at this point is "Oh, literally everything else."
This is not a matter of me not voting for the lesser evil. This is me letting the DNC know that I will not be held hostage for a candidate that is marginally better.
I'm not going to hold it against people for voting for damage reduction. Its an understandable position. But I think not voting for a conservative genocide financier is understandable too. If they want my vote they can offer a better candidate next cycle.
Edit:
I want to point out that 'Biden isn't going to change that' sort of implies he is simply going with the tide. He isn't. He explicitly bypassed congress by using an executive order on multiple occasions to sell arms to Israel.
When Trump is on the ballot, it's no time for a protest vote.
By not voting Biden, you enable Trump to:
- Illegally invade Mexico the same way Israel illegally invaded Lebanon.
- Imprison political opponents.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/30/trump-interview-jail-political-opponents-glenn-beck
- Be a dictator.
Your position is fair, but my protest vote is also a fair position. We can agree to disagree.
The Syrian guys I worked with ALL were head over heels in love with Trumplodyte and couldn't wait to vote for him back in 2016. They ALL changed their tune when Trumplodyte had a bunch of their friends from their local church deported back to Syria in the middle of a war. I felt sorry for their friends but had no sympathy for my coworkers cause they voted for the ass.
With Biden, there's at least some attempts being made to rein Israel in. They're not particularly strong attempts and we're still selling them weapons like its candy, but there's at least something is being done to try to slow them down, even if ineffective. I think the general fear among leaders from pushing too hard is that if we completely cut off Israel, they'll just saddle up with Russia or China and we'll be largely cut off from the Middle East or even being able to influence the peace process (I'm not sure how much we've really helped anyways). It's not like there's many other partners we can work with in the Middle East that don't have blood on their hands or questionable values. I would've hoped with America being actually rich in oil now that we could just walk away from that region altogether and stop supporting Israel so hard, but for whatever reason we just can't quit them I guess.
With Trump, the gloves come off and he'll probably even give Israel full approval to start committing genocide in the West Bank next. Letting Trump take power seems worse for the Palestinians than anything, there won't even be a chance at peace in that scenario. Hell, I'm sure he'd probably love to start a war with Iran because he believes war benefits the economy . We had a nuclear deal with Iran that seemed to be working well for both parties that could've eventually led to a thaw in relations until Trump killed that deal. Everything he does just seems to be to inflame tensions and ratchet up the chaos.
Shit sucks for the Palestinians, but handing the keys back to Trump isn't going to make things any better for them or the region in general.
(I’m not sure how much we’ve really helped anyways)
Not even a little.
some loser hates biden; would love trump whose even more hardline against palestine.....
There is no problem so bad it cannot be made worse. And this guy wants to do that.
