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[–] squirrelwithnut@lemmy.world 296 points 8 months ago (7 children)

And if they don't vote, it won't matter.

[–] jennwiththesea@lemmy.world 113 points 8 months ago (7 children)

So help them vote. Volunteer with efforts to get out the youth vote. Push for universal mail in voting where you are, or at least early voting. Help get politicians and initiatives on the ballot that they actually care about.

Shaming and complaining about the demographic you want to reach accomplishes nothing.

[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

Obligatory-

If you are a legal resident of Wisconsin, and are not currently serving time or on paper, you can register to vote entirely online if you want, and you can request absentee ballots for all elections for the entire year (no reason needed, but necessary annual renewal, it’s my New Year’s resolution every year because it’s so easy to accomplish. entirely free of charge ofc.).

Just go to www.myvote.wi.gov to register, request absentee ballots, check your registration, or find your polling place. If you have any difficulty with your registration, you can find your local rep and contact them directly.

Please vote. Please vote for your own wellbeing. Please.

Edits to fix link redirect per convo below

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[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Shame ✍️ demographics ✍️ for ✍️ helpful ✍️ advice

My state’s on it!

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[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago (5 children)

But both sides are the same or my vote is worthless or it's too hard to vote or something

[–] Clam_Cathedral@lemmy.ml 18 points 8 months ago (4 children)

That said, election day not being a federal holiday is a crime.

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[–] francisfordpoopola@lemmy.world 132 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 47 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I really hope that they do.

Because I am worried about the camps.

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 120 points 8 months ago (36 children)

Unless all these Gen Z kids actually fucking VOTE it won't matter, because Boomers fucking do.

Oh, you think the choices are trash? Well fucking vote in the primaries then. Get involved at a local level, and start promoting candidates that represent you. Don't just bitch and moan that the choice is between a codger and senile draft-dodger.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 8 months ago

FPTP coupled with Electoral College means the only ethical vote is for the least problematic candidate.

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 93 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Because people are already jumping to conclusions without reading the article. Here is the core of the survey data.

https://www.axios.com/2024/01/23/gen-z-less-religious-more-liberal-lgbtq

Identifying as Republican went from 32% in the Boomer Generation to 21% in Gen Z. Identifying as LGBTQ+ went from 4% with Boomers to 28% with Gen Z.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 67 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

With the exception of millennials, who were born between 1981 and 1996, Gen Z adults are notably less likely than those in other generations to identify as conservative.

Or in simpler terms, both Millennials and Gen Z are equally less likely than those in other generations to identify as conservative.

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 53 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It turns out that people don't become more conservative as they age, they become more conservative as they gain wealth. Millennials and Gen Z aren't.

[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Dude it's plainly obvious, at least in my lived experience trying to reach 40. The Republicans I know who "became" republican all either

  1. Moved up in class (perceived or real)
  2. Became religious
  3. Legitimately has a mental illness

I am not saying this as a dig, and I am not saying all Republicans etc etc just the people who weren't and then CHANGED THEIR MIND.

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[–] citrusface@lemmy.world 72 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Then can we please be out and get out and vote?

[–] markon@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I'm voting for Biden unless there's another nominee that will be the predominant choice against Trump. I don't like either of them but the choice is easy. Biden can't win my state, but I'm still going to vote for him literally just because he is running against Trump. I might cow about how I ate the Dems won't run on much else, but the contrast is big this time. It's always been really though, the Dems should be our new right wing party and a new farther left party like the Green party ought to be the more leftist faction. Dems to me already are neolibs with a neocon leaning. Leftist Populism must be embraced by the neolibs long term. Either way something has to give. Too much wealth to go around (even globally). The greedy old ideologies of constant growth at the expense of the poorest people in the world can't go forever. Growth economics can't go forever either. I have hope. Just go vote because that's what we can do easily as a minimum effort.

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[–] moon@lemmy.cafe 58 points 8 months ago (15 children)

Once the hateful boomers die out, the republican party will be finished. They know this and is why they have been focusing on voter suppression so much.

[–] Welt@lazysoci.al 22 points 8 months ago

They're more powerful and influential than you think - they're not going anywhere. They might change their policies to suit the times (remember Lincoln was a Republican) but the so-called "Grand Old Party" ain't going nowhere unfortunately.

[–] FoxBJK@midwest.social 21 points 8 months ago (20 children)

I remember seeing this comment on Digg while people speculated that W would be the last republican president elected for a generation.

[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (4 children)

To be fair, he didn't win his first election by getting the most votes, and neither did Trump.

The Republicans realized during the Reagan administration that they would soon be unable to win the presidency with a majority of votes and took many steps to undermine the Democratic process. Voter suppression, purges, intimidation, voter ID laws, all of that began with Reagan.

Bush the elder was the last to win a "democratic" victory. If it weren't for 9/11, Bush wouldn't have been able to win his second election either. That fact always blows my mind. Like people rallied around the incompetent fool who managed to ignore warnings and let a terrorist strike happen only to then go on and invade the wrong country multiple times and spend trillions of dollars on nothing.

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

There are still plenty of ignorant and angry Gen X and Millenials. I agree that the GOP is finished, and it's only a matter of time. There will always be stupid people to pick up their mantle, however.

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[–] daemoz@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Tdont kid yourself,, look at the numbers, Trump is propped up by gen x. The demographic loudest against biden are gunna be around a long time.

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[–] robocall@lemmy.world 58 points 8 months ago

Republicans know this, and push culture war issues to drive certain voters out of their states/area.

[–] Raz@lemm.ee 50 points 8 months ago (10 children)

I'm LGBTQ...AND republican. Although that means something vastly different where I live, haha (I live in a kingdom).

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 48 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Wow, a news story that makes me think my kid could actually live in a better political climate than me in a few decades. I forgot what this feeling was like.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Bro, I'll tell you the same thing I was told as a young guy in my career. I'm in my 40's now and this was about 20 years ago. An older guy about to retire said something like 'ya know, everyone always says that the younger generation is lazy, or dumb, but from what I noticed you guys are doing it smarter and you'll be better than us.' I kinda thought that, but it was nice to hear.

Now I'll say about 10 years ago, I was recruiting in high school and those kids were leaps and bounds ahead of where my generation was. It was crazy how much they could socialize across cliques and it not matter. Now that I am in my 40's I have some family members in high school, and I just see them being better. I don't know how this will translate into the work force or a fight for a labor reform, but I think we need to be more open to their ideas than our elder generations were to us.

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[–] hereisoblivion@lemmy.world 41 points 8 months ago (25 children)

I'm a bit confused by this.

Does this imply that the human race is drastically more sexually fluid than most species when allowed to be without oppression? Or that the culture gen z has grown up in helps cultivate a more fluid preference?

I grew up in the 80s, so I'm trying to understand, but it's tough meshing statements like this with my experiences.

Please don't misunderstand this post as disapproval. Just confusion.

[–] vind@lemmy.world 135 points 8 months ago (7 children)
[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 81 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Amazing what not punishing things does

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[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 51 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think it's mostly that very few of them identify as Republican.

But also, the less stigma around gender expression, the more kids will be open to explore theirs.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That’s not what the data said.

https://www.axios.com/2024/01/23/gen-z-less-religious-more-liberal-lgbtq

Identifying as Republican went from 32% in the Boomer Generation to 21% in Gen Z. Identifying as LGBTQ+ went from 4% with Boomers to 28% with Gen Z.

Both changes are major, but the LGBTQ+ change is massive.

[–] Linuto@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's probably worth mentioning we recognize certain types of people as part of the LGBTQ+ umbrella who were not before. Asexual people, for example.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

Also huge swaths of bi people and a lot of people who are now understood as gay and trans as opposed to straight people who hate their body and life but got rejected from hormones

[–] DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world 49 points 8 months ago (20 children)

The best explanation I've heard is that it's similar to the stats for left-handed people. Way back in the day, almost no one "identified" as being left-handed. But once the stigma against left-handedness was eliminated, the numbers went up.

So in other words, yes, it's a reflection of LGBTQ+ becoming more acceptable, particularly among Gen Z. There could be other factors, but that's probably the main one.

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[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's a confluence of factors. LGBTQIA+ is sort of a gender/sexuallity/ phenotype physicality solidarity alliance and the actual boundries has grown in scope since the 80's.

Like take for instance asexual people. Asexuallity became a part of the solidarity when people reached out over the internet and and started realizing that there were a lot of people who just don't feel sexual attraction and that there are certain widely accepted forms of social coercion that revolve around pushing people towards sexual attraction. But asexuallity as a part of the LGBTQIA only really became a thing in the early 2000's. Non-binary trans identities are much the same. A lot of people were feeling the way they did about themselves in isolation but they had no frame of reference to think that they were not just the odd person out.

The other half is a society wide re-examination of compulsory heterosexuallity/cis gender hegemony. There are way more people out there who no longer define themselves by who they've chosen to have physical sexual experience with and now a lot more people are more frank about defining themselves by the range of people they are attracted to. Like if the majority of people artificially penalize a bi-person for choosing a same sex relationship a lot of people will just take the easier path and just narrow their choices or keep their liasons with the restricted choice secret and not assume the label.

I before I came out as trans initially figured I didn't count as trans because I both wasn't physically transitioning and my industry is somewhat hostile to trans people so I was very closeted ao I figured the label only really belonged to the people brave enough to live out of the closet... But eventually someone found me and was like "No, it's not aspirational. Even deep in the closet you are still trans."

This combination of destigmatization, solidarity messaging, the inclusion of whole other groups (like intersex people, gender minorities, asexuals) broadening the scope and outreach to the closeted means that more people generally self identify as LGBTQIA or queer.

Animal kingdom wise we're still less observably sexual fluid than other primates. Bisexuality is actually pretty ubiquitous particularly amongst male primates with it actually being the overwhelming norm in some species so chances are we are probably actually haven't seen the curve level off from suppressive stigma.

[–] Carvex@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

I believe it's your first option, acceptance for being yourself is the normal instead of a beating from your parents like pre 2000.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 18 points 8 months ago

I think most species are more fluid than you realize, and humans are just normal. Especially for apes that share a common ancestor with bonobos.

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[–] chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 8 months ago (4 children)

sees headine oh, that's good news!

sees source oh it's gay fox, which means it's probably sensationalized to the point that the headline is a lie, because that's what they do over there.

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 29 points 8 months ago (16 children)

Not buying it. Probably just scared of the well deserved ridicule received if they identify as Republican. We'll see how the vote goes.

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[–] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 29 points 8 months ago (98 children)

As it should be. FUCKING VOTE! And remember, by not voting for Biden, you are voting for Trump whether or not you actually cast a vote. ALL of the Trump supporters WILL show up on the day.

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[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

What a glorious headline!

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

ThankFuckingGod.jpg

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