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[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 150 points 8 months ago (21 children)

Sanders notably attributed the war in Gaza to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and “the right-wing Netanyahu government” — not to Israel in general.

This extremely obvious distinction seems to get completely lost in every discussion on the topic. I like Israel and they have the right to exist. I don't like far right conservative governments run by corrupt war criminals (but enough about Bush...).

[–] wandermind@sopuli.xyz 35 points 8 months ago

In part because there are people actively and deliberately muddying together the Netanyahu government and Israel (as well as Israel and Jews) so that any criticism of the actions of Israel or Netanyahu can be labeled "antisemitism".

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 11 points 8 months ago (11 children)

I mean Netanyahu has been winning elections since 1996 (granted there was a gap in the middle) so the election is getting dubious.

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 136 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Has this guy ever been wrong about anything?

Best President we never had.

[–] dumpsterlid@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I mean yeah he actually wasn’t quick to denounce Israel’s genocide in Gaza. I am super happy he has come around but I think I’m the beginning he was reluctant to (not because he agreed with it, because he probably didn’t want to mess with Israeli money coming after him politically).

[–] jasondj@ttrpg.network 27 points 8 months ago

Dude was raised in a Jewish family and volunteered with his wife in Israel in college.

Mad props for ever speaking out about Israel, IMO.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't think he's alone. The Hamas attack was a shock to many people, and Israel of course would respond but... even six weeks ago it was starting to become obvious that this was a gross overreaction.

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[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Pity right? Right up there with what could've been had RBG stepped down a bit earlier.

[–] rosymind@leminal.space 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'll never forgive her for clinging on to power. She destroyed her legacy and ruined lives for the greed of it

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

RBG wanted Hillary to pick her replacement. The hubris of that decision. SMH

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I don't think anyone expected Donnie Disgrace to get elected

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hopefully we've learned our lesson... But I wouldn't bet on it.

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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (5 children)

He's against nuclear power, and that's the only thing I've ever disagreed with him on.

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[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 56 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Military industrial complex goes BRRRRRRR while the oligarchy distracts you with yet another "most important election of your life" — forcing you to choose between fascist dystopia or neoliberal dystopia instead of ... actually improving the planet and society for future generations.

[–] xor@sh.itjust.works 44 points 8 months ago (4 children)

ok but, trump actually directly said he plans on being a dictator... it's really the most important election in much of american history...

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[–] phx@lemmy.ca 51 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Yeah it's hard to disagree with this. While I don't think that the US or Canada can do much to influence the situation politically, neither should they be providing support militarily.

[–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 49 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Bro the US used their veto in the UN to prevent the demand for a ceasefire passing. Literally only USA and Israel voted against. The US is the most powerful country in the world for now, you'd be hard pressed to find an arena of politics they DONT have immense power over. Certainly they have power over the genocides their allies do.

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[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 33 points 8 months ago (10 children)

Hmm, I feel like the US are why Israel can do as it pleases. If it weren't for the US backup the chances of a new war on Israel by several of it's neighbors backed by Iran would be very plausible. I don't wish for this to happen, it would be horrible, and I understand that the US should perhaps back Israel to a certain degree. But in return they can ask a lot from Israel, and if Israel doesn't even comply with not committing terrible war crimes, then the US could threaten them with not having their backs anymore.

What I'm trying to say is: I think you underestimate the role the US can play.

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[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago

providing military support is influencing the situation politically

[–] shredderdoitbetta@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

Stop funding terrorists, stop funding evil regimes, it's not so hard

[–] airportline@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago

Better late than never I guess

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