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Bro I'll be real with you north Korea got fucking obliterated to the extent that they were living underground because every single building has been bombed to rubble. North Korea was definitely the victim of imperialist interference. No person in that country deserved that level of devastation.
A total of 635,000 tons of bombs, including 32,557 tons of napalm, were dropped on Korea. By comparison, the U.S. dropped 1.6 million tons in the European theater and 500,000 tons in the Pacific theater during all of World War II (including 160,000 on Japan).
...yea.
Also consider the fact that north Korea is roughly the size of Maine and Japan is roughly the size of the east coast.
Noob here, can guess Russia with ukraine but can anyone supply the full list for context on this meme ?
The other two flags are North Korea (left) and Serbia (right).
North Korea began the Korean War by invading South Korea. It didn't end well for them (or for the South, for that matter) but South Korea prospers today while the North is...well, North Korea.
For Serbia, it is one of the many states formed from the dissolution of Yugoslavia. Going from one country to several countries which were defined mainly by ethnic association was not a clean transition. There were Serbs living in other former Yugoslav countries, and Serbia used that justification to start occupying those majority-Serbian areas, similar to what Russia has been doing with Ukraine, Transnistria, South Ossetia, and to a lesser extent Abkhazia.
More specifically with Serbia, they were genociding until NATO stepped in and bombed them, and have spent the last 20+ years crying about how NATO was the big bad boogie man who attacked first, while simultaneously trying to destabilize Kosovo through frequent Russian backed violations of the MTA that ended the open conflict. Literal government policies of a schoolyard bully.
South Korea at the time was run by actual fascists, people often originally put in charge by the prior Japanese occupation who helped genocide their own people and kept by the "democratic" Allies because, being fascists, they really hated commies.
It's also simply disingenuous to pretend North Korea's economic problems aren't mostly caused by the embargo they've been under for seventy years.
Does that make North Korea the victim?
Well, not really, but on the other hand, you can certainly understand the invasion.
Unlike some people, they actually were invading fascists. Ones that actually were their people's oppressors, and even to this day most Koreans consider themselves a divided nation and support reunification, unlike Russia and Ukraine or Serbia and literally everyone else from the former Yugoslavia because the Serbs were dicks.
From that point of view it's certainly easier to understand why they would portray themselves as victims compared to people who just want to conquer and genocide their neighbors.
But time is funny, you become what you hate, etc.
Can't really say Marxist-> Feudal Monarchy is the typical trajectory though.
lol Serbians don’t need a majority. If there were two Serbs and a cup living in a given city, Serbia would claim it and ethically cleanse the shit out of it.
North Korea - Korean war and Serbia - Yugoslav wars
Korean war and probably Kosovo war (or Yugoslavia wars in general) for Serbia
The lack of imperial Japan in this image is disturbing
At least imperial japan no longer exists. Anyone flying the flag is seen as a nationalistic weirdo by normal Japanese people.
Yeah totally. But if you dare even insinuate that Japan was anything other than a victim of WW2, the public outcry is so massive that you will be forced to publicly apologize and denounce your previous statement
Do you have something to back this up? That wasn't the feeling I had during the seven years I lived in Japan. There was something of a victim mentality, but it wasn't as militant as you are making out.
It's a pity, because the design (!) is pretty rad
The Japanese military still flies nearly the same flag.
Do they play victim? It doesn't look like
North Korea? Really?
The country that had fucking 20% of its population slaughtered by the US in just 3 years after Korea was split in two against their will after WW2?
Leave it to westerners to be completely ignorant of history lol
This 'meme' is disgusting.
There's zero context in your comment. It's just as biased as the meme is. You're blithely glossing over the much larger historical context of WW2 and why the US was there in the first place, and you're eliding the rather obvious fact that a sizable majority of Koreans were opposed to the attempted communist takeover in the first place.
The salient fact about the 2nd half of the 20th century, that is routinely ignored by Lemmy's tankies, is that the men guiding US foreign policy had survived the largest war in human history and were absolutely and legitimately terrified that there would be another even worse war in the very near future if they didn't do everything they could to prevent the kind of runaway imperialism seen in Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.
Furthermore, these men knew for a fact --as even Lemmy's tankies will admit-- that communism by design and by doctrine can only come to its final stage in a globally hegemonic system. If you honestly believed, as they clearly did, that fighting a war in Korea --which after all had been liberated from Imperial Japan by the US-- was part of a much larger strategy to contain communism and thereby prevent a 3rd world war, you would feel yourself morally obliged to do it.
We can argue about whether or not they were correct in their beliefs, but we can't simply condemn them as evil imperialists. That's just stupid reductionist bullshit. Reality is always much more complicated than simple black and white "my team good, your team bad."
Nice post was able to find many pro genocide and colonization users here to be labeled as "idf" or "Zainoist"
People's views on NK and how it got there are a surprisingly good indicator of their views on Palestine.
NK shouldn’t be here
The number of tankies in this thread is just epic
The amount of zionists in this thread is staggering. Apparently fighting back against oppressors is a bad thing.
So, pointing out that the US carpet bombed North Korea with 635,000 tons of bombs, killed 20% of their population and turned all remaining infrastructure to rubble is "tankie" now?
You guys just can't see non-westerners as human.
Two wrongs don't make a right, you cow.
Parroting zionist talking points really well there bud. The fuck do you mean 'wrong'?
The Viet Cong didn't liberate their country from the US by being nice, and Palestinians won't liberate theirs from US-backed Israel by being nice either. The difference here is the even more extreme brutality of the US that made NK the way it is today.
I think the statistics show it all in the Korean case. May be lot of tankies here, but they'r bringing factual data.
You guys I bit off more than I can chew
Great shitpost 👍