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A recent post collected some comments by moderator Yobuckstopshere which were reported for being Covid misinformation. Further, comments calling out the misinformation were being removed.

This was reported to me, and after a short examination, I engaged the lemmy.world site admins who took the following actions:

Yobuckstopshere was removed as moderator from both Politics and World News. The comments were removed, and they were banned for 3 days.

This is tough for me since I value their contributions to Lemmy, and why I had to recuse myself beyond getting the Admins involved, but if it were anyone else, the comments would have been removed and the user banned, and so here we are.

Similarly, I don't like exposing behind the scenes drama so to speak, but I also believe in transparency in moderation action. It's why I reply to posts and comments before I remove them citing exactly why they are being removed. I feel everyone deserves to know why action is being taken.

Unlike reddit, there is a process for removing moderators who appear to have been acting in bad faith. Your first line of defense is other moderators, but we are also in regular contact with the lemmy.world admins whose decision is final.

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[–] miseducator@lemmy.world 54 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I called this user out a couple weeks ago for spreading blatant, seemingly obvious misinformation. I replied with citations from reputable sources and they accused me of cherry picking. It was a really weird exchange and even weirder was the topic was really inconsequential. Like, why even lie about something so menial?

Anyway, I noticed he was a bit of a poweruser, so I think them posting all the time will be missed, but there's really no excuse to abuse your status to spread lies.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

Well, you ARE a "miseducator". ;)

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago

Thank you for your transparency on this. It's disappointing - especially the misinformation part - but it's good to know.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Thanks so much!

I've had to contact you about that mod more than a few times. You always took action and gave them plenty of chance to fix their behavior.

I wonder how many others got the weird PMs from that mod where if you down voted him often he'd vaugely threaten you for it saying he can see who down votes what

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Which is a weird flex on the face of it. We have better things to do than determining where up and downvotes are coming from, unless it's a suspicious amount coming from a bot farm or something like that. Vote manipulation needs to be examined, but not your random downvotes.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I got it twice.

Both from threads where hed have the single up vote from himself and 20-50 down votes from everyone else. So I don't know if he was sending them to everyone or what.

Also, I didn't remember it at the time, but now I remember when Lemmy was just taking off and this sub was asking for mods. One of the top mods stated requirements was potential mods would not remove misinformation because that would be biased against Republicans....

https://i.imgur.com/0Maach1.jpg

In fairness, I only saw misinformation posts from that one you just got rid of.

But thought you should know the whole mod team (except probably you as an admin) had to say that misinformation was acceptable on this sub before they could be a mod.

The ironic part is that exchange wasn't even about the one you removed.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

To be clear, I'm not an admin, I'm a mod like the rest, I just talk to the Admins on the regular. :)

In general, if someone is just misinformed, I like to treat it as a teachable moment.

"That's incorrect, here's why, citation 1, 2, 3."

If you remove the comment, people won't see the counter argument. I had this in a recent thread in a MANY TIMES SMALLER community I moderate where someone was going off on the book "Gender Queer". Tons of reports, tons of downvotes.

Polite replies, cited sources, and eventually they gave up and deleted their comments themselves.

In here, unless a comment is blatantly hateful or batshit crazy, I'd leave it as well. But if someone is unironically going on about Jewish Space Lasers or Pizzagate, yeah, that kind of stuff is dangerous and will get removed.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 10 points 10 months ago

This is exactly why I dont like that lemmy makes votes visible. Makes powertripping and targeted harassment so much easier.

[–] MightBe@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Let's see if we can make this place better.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

"Heroes are not giant statues framed against a red sky, they are people who say 'this is my community and it's my responsibility to make it better.'" - Tom McCall - Oregon Governor 1967 to 1975.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Despite my disagreement with some of the policies, I greatly appreciate how ethically and transparently the admins run this instance. I think it serves as a model in those areas. Thank you guys. ❤️

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's not health misinformation, but I remember them from their trolling. I didn't experience any mod abuse (I think), but those posts just don't speak to someone temperamentally suited to mod a general access politics sub.

Anyway, problem corrected. Finding good mods isn't easy and some won't work out. I'm happy that the process worked.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

THANK YOU. And the admins. Seriously.

And above all, for the transparency involved.

[–] antik@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago
[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 18 points 10 months ago

I sometimes agreed with YoBuckStopsHere and sometimes not, but in that Covid thread clearly mod powers were getting to this individual's head...

[–] USAONE@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Nothing of value lost, good riddance.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

I also appreciate the transparency. I have no personal issues with YoBuckStopsHere aside from my finding some of the things they have said questionable, but I trust mods in general to do what they are supposed to be doing and I'm glad the rest of you have a way to do something about it when a mod abuses their power.

[–] Goferking0@ttrpg.network 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] SuperIce@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I almost never really care when someone says stupid crap or is trolling on Lemmy (or the old place), but his comments were pretty extreme misinformation, so I was one of the people that reported him. Thanks for taking action.