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I'm really worried about the state of the US despite being a white male who was I'll coast right through it. I'll also accept "I don't" and "very poorly" as answers

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[–] rodbiren@midwest.social 17 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I find great comfort in history personally. Dan Carlin (a favorite podcaster of mine) always says we must grade history on a curve. Sure, to us it looks like everything is falling apart and existence is pointless. But by very real measures things are better than they have ever been. My favorite is violence against children has been normalized as being bad.

Within living memory it has gone from being completely socially acceptable to beat children as being the preferred method of parenting to people getting thrown in jail for that behavior. What does it mean that previous to 100 years ago all of society could have been considered battered children? We are extremely aware of the negative effects of violence against children and for the very first time we are seeing a generation raised in an environment that kind of behavior has carrots and sticks motivating parents to behave properly. Of course all manner of horrid things still happen, but I call it progress that it have become widely condemnable to beat a child with a stick or take them to public hangings. It's a small victory, but it gives me hope for the future. That we may yet still build a better human being capable of taking on the heroic task of fixing this world.

Further, history has shown to me low points that I am glad to have missed. I never knew how ghastly WWI was. I am currently in a warm bed and not in a trench filled with mud, flys, dead body parts, with shells exploding constantly, seconds away from needing to charge out into near certain death. But my great grandfather knew that feeling. He watched as whole generations of young men were gassed to death and blown up uselessly. The numbers who die in war are less now. Still tragic, but less. Again, we must grade on a curve.

Death, despair, and hopelessness may be in 8K live streamed constantly now, but I assure you the analog version was something to behold. Not saying the horror of the past makes living any easier now. It is not to minimize your own pain. I just find hope that others managed to break the back of an unshakable world and hope for a better one while surviving a suffering I have not yet known. I am made of the same stuff. That gives me strength.

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 17 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Some very good replies here. I share some of your worries, but with some recent issues I have also gotten a lot of practice seeing the good in things. Consider these 2 angles:

First is the Louis CK routine that includes β€œEverything is amazing and nobody is happy.” I think it comes down to humans getting used to things that work well and taking them for granted. Compared against most people who have ever lived, we are genius magical wizards who live in luxury. Unfortunately some of our magical technologies let us see the bad shit all around the world (and close to us) that our brains haven’t evolved to deal with.

Second is how absurdly unlikely and unique the existence of our consciousness seems. We are a collection of atoms forged in inconceivably massive exploding stars billions of years ago, aware of its own existence. We are literally the universe experiencing itself.

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[–] M68040@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Not really having the option to not cope. Or not knowing how to actively choose to not cope. One of the two. For what it's worth, Tolkein genuinely was on to something with this one.

[–] crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz 17 points 10 months ago

I just stopped caring. I just want a meal a day and do stuff to not be bored.

[–] Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 10 months ago

I cope with the US falling further by not living in the US, unfortunately I'm just privileged like that, sorry.

I have a few friends over there, and the state of things absolutely breaks my heart.

[–] kusuriya@infosec.pub 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sadly, I have taken moves to grow as much as I can, tend to chickens for eggs, and start just pulling back from my community because they are really terrible. Really, I should be building the community and mutual aid but the amount of people that care about nobody but themselves around here is just too high.

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[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Depends on perspective. Ask my grandma who lives through the second world war whether it is better or worse. Our modern problem seem trivial to her comparing having no non-bombed house, very little food and very little way of taking care of her family.

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[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I chose to leave after Trump got in officeβ€”& it took like two years of planning/saving. It’s had real ups & downs but overall the best major life decision I’ve made.

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[–] V0lD@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It is getting better though. We are all just facing the issues of our era's.

Tech keeps going up, we are slowly making progress on climate change, the space race is back on, and superpowers don't directly fight eachother anymore. Hell, we've proven to beat once in a century pandemics in a few years with relatively speaking barely any deaths. Life's good

Yes, we have squabbles in the middle east and Africa, but that's par for the course and not an indicator for human development. The only thing that has really gone backwards is that war has been brought back to europe

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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Being the history nerd I am, I tell myself that this has happened before. Think of the Bronze Age Collapse or the Fall of Rome. For people who lived back then, it probably felt like the end of the world. But after many generations, they still managed to rebuild. I must keep going in order to document as much history as possible for future generations in the case that humanity survives all this crazy shit that is going on.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 16 points 10 months ago

We still don't really know what caused the Bronze Age Collapse, just that it happened and that we survived it, though it took several centuries to rebuild. The Fall of Rome happened so slowly that it was nearly invisible. Hell, there are still a few countries out there claiming the "Emporer" title and all are valid successors of the title.

This thing that is happening now is different. We know what's causing it. We know how to stop it, we're just not. And it's coming at us. Super fast. Who knows if we will survive this?

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The world is getting better. There are some setbacks, yes. But there are lots of normal people making the world a better place, like the guy who figured out how to make artificial glaciers with river water in India, or the guy who recently built a forest on arid land by refining local techniques in Burkina Faso. Things will be okay!

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[–] zout@kbin.social 14 points 10 months ago (6 children)

I just hope no wars will be started over here (western Europe) in the next ten years, so my sons won't get drafted.

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[–] F_Haxhausen@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

I take comfort in getting older and getting closer to being dead.

I can barely wait. The comfort of nothingness is a great help.

[–] artaxthehappyhorse@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Being a white male doesn't mean you'll coast through it. You still have to put in the effort, otherwise you end up like the guy holding the cardboard sign in the back of the grocery store parking lot near my house in 30 degrees F, and it's not even January yet.

Americans have been getting poorer and poorer for decades, even though it doesn't appear that way due to influx of cheap goods from the far east, but when you look at the cost of American labor, paying for any good or service that earned Americans a living wage, that's when you get a true picture of how far your money goes.

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[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Just trying to be a lamp in the darkness.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago

I just try to enjoy each day as I can without making the world any worse than I can help.

[–] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

shrug and say that things will have to get worse before they get better

[–] Chev@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There are a lot of good news all the time. For example: I'm pro veganism and always heard that vegans make up about 2% of the population. Recently I heard that specifically in my city about 8% are vegans. That's amazing!

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[–] EurekaStockade@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Life's pretty good here in Australia. No neighbours on the border causing problems, weather is generally good, lots of wide open empty nature to get out of the city, average salary is $93k and unemployment is low, crime is low. Inequality is a problem although our Gini coefficient has actually lowered recently. There's a lot of life to enjoy, and really the endless stream of negativity is only experienced through the media, not in real life, so I switched off the TV and just focus on what's going on around me, enjoying the people, places and activities that I like, and things feel quite positive.

Turn off the news, it's bad for the psyche.

[–] Rambomst@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The average salary is around $68k source

edit I should say median, not average.

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[–] ProfessorGumby@fedia.io 12 points 10 months ago (4 children)
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[–] tty5@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

I've put an ocean between myself and the US.

[–] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

Substance abuse :)

[–] trustnoone@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 10 months ago

Well I eat quite unhealthy, so I'm thinking I'll probably die earlier then most. Sooo I guess I got that going for me.

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 10 months ago

By trying to get involved with politics. I'm part of a political party, but want to be involved more though. I also participate in protests sometimes, but want to participate in direct actions as well.

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Pretty well. The resistance lives. We are all part of it.

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[–] Catsrules@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Personally I am not really worried. Maybe I am in denial but I think a lot of the negative stuff is way over exposed with 24/7 news cycle and crazy social media.

Bad news and anger drive engagement metrics the best so that is all you will hear about.

So everything I hear I just automatically assume it is way over blown and I should lower the worry factor.

If it is getting overwhelming I would recommend you unplug yourself for a little while and do something you enjoy.

2023 has some amazing games come out maybe pick on of those up and give it a try?

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[–] joeyv120@ttrpg.network 11 points 10 months ago

I'm not in a position to affect change in a powerful way. So I try to stay educated and informed, I vote at the ballot box, I vote with my wallet, I donate what I reasonably can to places where I think it will help, and I speak out when it's appropriate to do so.

[–] Doubledee@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

I like to think about the historical perspective. It's not much consolation but systems like these can't maintain themselves forever, cracks are showing and the US really is more vulnerable than people would like to admit.

Once things start changing there will likely be a lot of problems, things will probably get worse in some ways, but I think even if I don't survive to see what people come up with in the aftermath of the US I can get satisfaction from seeing it burn.

When you read history you learn humans are very resilient, humans will not end when the empire does. Maybe the failure of this place will be good for the world.

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