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10 years after Zod's snapped neck, Martha, "some kinda Suicide Squad", CGI moustache, rennouncing your wish, the hiearchy of power changing, and Speed Force PS1 graphics, the DC Extended Universe finally comes to a close. And it ends the same way it started - with a Rotten score.
Looking back at all this wasted potential, what would you have done differently with the DCEU, and what are your hopes for James Gunn's DC Universe?
what are your hopes for James Gunn’s DC Universe?
Personally, I think the DCU should be a realistic, down-to-earth setting...that's completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots.
And also we should win stuff by watching.
Something something science-based with dragons something something.
Like dinner with Margo Robbie.
You would
#2: Exactly. They need to be saying what we're all thinking anyway.
I wasn’t even aware a new Aquaman movie was being released.
This is how bad the situation is.
Hopefully it is decent, I liked the first one.
If the trailer is any indication (and I know it isn't always), it's bad and the cast is really phoning it in. Jason Momoa has never been a great actor but every word he says sounds like he's reading it from notes he wrote on his hand. Nicole Kidman is like, "things are bad" with the same tone of voice I say, "we're out of milk." Just really terrible.
In the history of Aquaman in the media, on the "wet sidekick for the water episodes of superfriends" scale, you're describing a solid B+, though.
This is the case for when franchises get milked forever. They CAN'T die on a good note. Good notes is what promotes sequels. Only when they get a low note they start discontinueing.
It's why most franchise stories seem to end on dissatisfactory cliffhangers
Sometimes it's not even "forever". Wonder Woman '84 was only the 2nd film and it shit the bed so hard it not only killed any future WW movie, but it tanked the Star Wars movie the director was supposed to do next.
I mean, the first Wonder Woman movie was garbage too so...
But hey the Zack Snyder cut of justice league was pretty dope
First 2/3rds of Wonder Woman was fine, but it fell apart at the end. WW 84 though, eesh. Bell to bell just trash, except Pedro Pascal who is a joy!
Exactly.
This is why I support the MCU going out on a limb with their new stuff. They're already on a dang limb, so own it. This will happen to them someday, too, and they know it! So when an opportunity comes up to risk everything to go out gloriously and respectably, you take it. If/When they're lucky, they'll find something new and squeeze a few more years out of it.
DC never did that without backsliding on it.
It's decreasing returns. I mean I know we've had disney princesses around for nearly a century, but you gotta take basic economics into account in this stuff.
Does Logan count as ending on a high note, or is that just waiting to be sullied by bringing Hugh Jackman back into the franchise?
Wouldn't know. I kinda stopped paying attention lately lol.
Looking back at all this wasted potential, what would you have done differently with the DCEU,
and what are your hopes for James Gunn's DC Universe?
Don't try and just go back to animation since DC still dominates in that format.
Pay morbillions to make Batman Arkham Alsume remastered remastered version
Hopes? None. Warner Bros. has no fucking clue how to use DC characters and ideas in theaters. They may get lucky with specific movies being decent, but the best movies are not even as good as the worst of the animated movies and series. They keep throwing money and names at live action, instead of focusing on telling good stories that stay true to the essence of the characters.
I don't see Gunn doing any better tbh. For one, he's going to be hamstrung by whatever Warner decides is the goal. For another, he's going to end up limited by whatever flawed view executives have of the servers characters. And then he still may not have a grasp of what either comics fans or non comic fans need from a movie featuring DC characters.
I think that another risk you run by putting Gunn in this role after he found the only success in modern DC movies and series is pressure to become too Gunn-y. The same way that Marvel was so taken with Taika Waititi's Ragnarok that they had him go even more Waititi on Love and Thunder, which clearly made it worse, and then tried to incorporate similar humor in other projects that fell flat. Sometimes playing to hard into a unique success just proves that it was either largely novelty-driven or that you just can't recapture it.
For one, he's going to be hamstrung by whatever Warner decides is the goal.
Gunn confirmed that DC Studios is completely seperate from Warner Bros., they will just be distributing the films.
#1 thing I would have done would have been putting Bruce Timm and Paul Dini in charge and left them alone.
"Yeah, just like the animated stuff, but live action. GO!"
When the review embargo was set for 15 hours after it opened in the UK, I knew the reviews weren't going to be favourable.
Iirc isn’t rotten tomatoes where you want to wait for the audience score because the critics are often out of tune with the audience? Not that I’m disinclined to believe the movie’s bad though, like you said DCEU has been pretty abysmal.
Yeah. Aquaman is fun. And incredibly derivative.
Critics are still mad they're being forced to watch "superman, but underwater". I get that, I feel for them. But I don't feel for them enough to actually stop giving money to movies like "superman, but underwater".
The movies don't all have to be connected by a single overreaching narrative, give us some standalones. Give us a feel good Justice Society movie and a utopian sci-fi Legion of Superheroes. It would also be nice to move away from the core Justice League team and world or universe level threats. Let Nightwing stop the Zodiac Master's plan to rob a series of banks.
You moron, they tried that with 'The Batman' and look how that turned out! /s
Yeah, I feel that some of the best DC movies are when they are completely discomnected from a "bigger picture".
Give us a feel good Justice Society movie and a utopian sci-fi Legion of Superheroes.
Those two have already been done in the Tomorrowverse. Though the quality of those films are questionable...
I think they may go the MCU way this time and start working up with D Listers. If you can make Blue Beetle or Lobo or whatever unknowns work in a good movie, the. You get half a decade before the big hitters reappear and are anticipated.
Just put the A team on the animated series who seem to be doing a better job
When I checked audience score was 77%.
The thing I would have done? Don't hire Zack Snyder to start a cinematic universe. And also tell him to take his daughter to a mental health professional.
My hope for the future is that they actually do a Justice League movie based on "The New Frontier".
I hate WB with a passion with how they fumbled the DCEU. What a shitshow.
Hey, it's not as if they could have involved the people who did the animated series or the Arrowverse TV series, both of which have been very successful.
Yeah. There was so much wasted potential in the DCEU.
But I don't consider Aquaman wasted potential at all. I'm a fan of the comic, but the source material never tried to be Black Panther, so a movie that did wouldn't have worked anyway.
Considering "The Aquaman" made it to 2 films, I figure Hasbro will be calling Jason Mamoa to star in a "Seaspray" movie any minute. Maybe have him cameo as Boat-guy-wity-parrot in a GI Joe movie, just for good measure.
My hopes for James Gunns version are pretty high. PeaceMaker is so lovingly made.
I do worry because I haven't seen James Gunn take on the unironically uplifting side of DC yet, and it needs to be there for the DCU to work.
That money could have saved starving refugees.
Is it me, or he seems very high in the photo? Like a full deluxe package of weed after party, high.
As long as Jason can continue to travel around the world in his jet, everything will be good. Right? Right??
I was hoping it would be better than this. Aquaman 1 was not masterpiece but with James Wan flavor it was at least interesting.
DC anything is worthless garbage.
Even the comics??
Especially the turd heaps that are the comics.
Any hope for DC died with Heath Ledger
