Sokath, his eyes uncovered.
this post was submitted on 08 Dec 2023
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Will and Gracie, in the tank.
Chekov, finding Alameeda
So what I'm hearing is they can literally talk to each other in a way that we do and we still kill them constantly.
We kill humans constantly too, and we probably obliterated the rest of the hominins also. I’m just saying we have a chequered track record.
Are we the baddies?
While I always love a Mitchell and Webb reference, I can say I don’t think so. I think the book Humanity by Rutger Bregman is a good reminder that we are mostly good.
Agreed. It's just that it's really easy for a small amount of people to do a lot of bad things. It's hard to maintain, harder to build, and easy to destroy.
However take in context that it's written by a human. Of course we will say we're mostly good. If Pol Pot wrote a book about Pol Pot he'd probably say he was mostly good too.
Well believe it or not the book isn’t one page whose entire contents read “We’re good”. It is a whole well reasoned length of prose supporting that with reason.
I understand but it's written by us lol. Not that any other creature can write a book but consider the absurdity for a moment. We are saying we're mostly good.
I share this understanding with you and this is why I say that AI will absolutely kill us because that is what we would do. It's trained on our data afterall.
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This is big news! We've got a lemmy community specifically about Digital Bioacoustics (technology and animal communication) for anyone interested.
Oooh, look! The translation's coming through!!
Thanks... for... all... the...
...
For what? Thanks for all the what?!
“I wish I could speak whale!” - Dory
They probably have nothing interesting to say anyway. After a year or two all the scientists will be like "I fucking know you like krill, whale. Shut the fuck up about the krill already".
[Arthur Dent] learned to communicate with birds and discovered that their conversation was fantastically boring. It was all to do with wind speed, wingspans, power-to-weight ratios, and a fair bit about berries.
-- Douglas Adams, 'Life, the Universe, and Everything.
I kind of still want to know what I'm sleeping to.
Horny whale noises
"Can I try putting it in your blowhole this time?"
No Frank, idw Whale cum in my lung again.
To a whale, whale cum is just regular cum.
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What they're saying is: "All shall perish" as they proceed to kill people and smash yachts.
Flippity floppity y'all on my property
That’d be really metal
Gracie is pregnant.
Uh-oh. Risa's leaking again.
They're still using money. We've got to get some.
"Who turned up the heat?"
Just in time for them to go extinct. It’ll be helpful in a few hundred years though when we need to travel back in time again.
If complete mutually intelligible communication of complex ideas with another species is undeniably proven, that will be a massive boon for veganism(although of course not all animals are equal), and a legal quagmire. What do you do if they are suffering in ways that we can fix due to their environment? Like humans were, and then we changed our environment. Do you give whales weapons so they can defend themselves from orcas? Do you shoot whale pochers? Do you shoot orcas attacking whales? Do you farm krill for them to eat? Do you drastically alter the ocean surface to be more comfortable for whales?
After all, most people recognize it as good to alter a person's natural state(hunting and gathering from caves) for the better, so would that not be the same for animals that are considered essentially people or near-people?
We don't even treat other humans on earth with dignity and respect and you think anything will change for whales as drastically as you propose? Maybe I'm mega jaded but I see this having little impact.
Last time I checked you don't eat abstract linguistic concepts.
Abstract linguistic concepts ensure you can eat.
Nobody said anything about complex ideas. Maybe they just said. "food here"
Speaking to animals would be cool but I doubt they'd have much to share other than basic instincts.
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This was my favorite episode of Extrapolations!
One of mine too. It's a little scary seeing the things they got right so far.
It wasn't a great show and I didn't binge watch it, but I'm glad I ignored all the hate about it I read eventually. I really liked the drone defection plotline and the whale episode I feel is up there with some of the best Black Mirror stuff.
There was very much morale ambiguity of the "good" characters as well, it wasn't all pro-environmentalist guys are all heroes, there was definitely eco-terrorism.
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My Avatar whale dream might actually become a reality
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