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[–] halfempty@kbin.social 89 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hillary is toxic to the brand. The Democrats would be wise to keep her at arms distance.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago (8 children)

It's a little sad because decades of right-wing anti-Hillary propaganda not only proved effective, but it noticeably altered Hillary into this jaded cynic completely lacking in vision or idealism. I'm not a huge Hillary fan, but the vast majority of the hate is completely manufactured outrage. That being said it doesn't change what you said being valid.

You can see them trying with AOC, but I suspect it won't yield the same results.

[–] crypticthree@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Dude she was a McGovern girl. She has always been an empty husk seeking power and validation

[–] TotalTrash@lemmy.ml 33 points 10 months ago

She was a Goldwater Girl, which is orders of magnitude worse. McGovern would have been a massive improvement from Nixon.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

There's always been this weird push from her supporters that's anyone who doesn't like her is either a misogynist or fell for propaganda.

They just refuse to admit she has any faults.

[–] drdabbles@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Supporters get awful quiet when you ask about her continued defense of her husband's misconduct and alleged sexual assaults. They get down right silent when you ask about her attacking his accusers.

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[–] Lols@lemm.ee 23 points 10 months ago

but it noticeably altered Hillary into this jaded cynic completely lacking in vision or idealism

it noticeably altered hillary clinton into hillary clinton

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 88 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (11 children)

I get it, but this take fucking worries me, dawg. The last time the Democrats played the "I don't have to try and appeal to you because the other guy is Hitler, lol" cars, 'Hitler' won. It's even a little on the nose that this is coming from Hillary. I'm worried that they're falling into the same intellectually and politically bankrupt trap as in 2016, that they're aware that they don't have a platform besides "we're not republicans", and that they've somehow convinced themselves that this is enough. The republicans of 2020 and 22 also had that same absence of platform, absence of appeal, and just trying to coast on party brand, and look where that got them. Shit is on fire, we don't have time for these dumb fuck games, let alone for Trump to win again. C'mon guys, don't fuck this up.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They're always going to fuck up. That's what they do. Most of them belong in retirement communities yet for whatever reason think they have what it takes to run a government. They're disconnected from reality yet expect to appeal to regular people, who have to suffer in the reality they've created?

Expect more shitshows.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 16 points 10 months ago (5 children)

The grassroots efforts are the only reason Dems enjoying their recent victories. Hard-working people who want to see progress. We'd be looking at a red Congress if not for them, and I look forward to when the DNC is irrelevant, too.

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[–] teft@startrek.website 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When she called them deplorables they ate it up. She just needs to not stick her nose in.

[–] Narrrz@kbin.social 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

yeah, i came here to post that she is not the person to voice this. anyone currently supporting trump isn't going to suddenly switch sides to his opponent in the original race, it actually just weakens the argument.

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

It’s even a little on the nose that this is coming from Hillary. I’m worried that they’re falling into the same intellectually and politically bankrupt trap as in 2016, that they’re aware that they don’t have a meaningful platform besides “we’re not republicans”, and that they’ve somehow convinced themselves that this is enough.

The irony is that... progressives absolutely do have a solid platform that people generally support. by people, I'm excluding Hilary's and Biden's Corporate Donors. Sorry, I don't have to respect Citizens United.

[–] docAvid@midwest.social 11 points 10 months ago

It's not an accident. The country is moving left, and the right-wing Democrats are afraid of losing control of the party. They almost did, twice. They don't take the "the other guy is Hitler" rhetoric seriously, themselves. They aren't worried about losing their power if the Republicans win the Whitehouse, or even both branches of Congress, because it's all one big club, and they won't be kicked out, as long as they go along to get along, but they are terrified that a leftist rise will take the reigns of the Democratic party from them, and then they really will be out of power.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The thing those people don't understand is that they think democracy is a goal onto itself, instead of a means to an end. A good chunk of the population would happily get rid of democracy in order to have someone in power 'who can just get stuff done'. Especially since said democracy is ridiculously unresponsive to the will of the people.

Compare the polling on the Gaza conflict compared to what members in the house are saying, for example. Or any other super popular thing (legalising weed, taxing the wealthy, not running a global empire that constantly gets involved in wars,...)

And, for the record, Hillary, Hitler never got over 50% of the vote, it was other, so-called democratic parties that gave him the Chancellor job. They could've created a different governing coalition, but they thought they could control him.

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[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 73 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Someone couldn't find a photo of her looking less...Palpatine-y?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You're welcome to try, but it might take awhile....

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[–] spider@lemmy.nz 60 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)
[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 43 points 10 months ago (6 children)

An email recently released by the whistleblowing organization WikiLeaks shows how the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party bear direct responsibility for propelling the bigoted billionaire to the White House.

In its self-described “pied piper” strategy, the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates, hoping to turn them into the new “mainstream of the Republican Party” in order to try to increase Clinton’s chances of winning.

Ah, the real reason people hate WikiLeaks. It exposed the truth, but rather than focus on the truth people focused on the messenger.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (6 children)

My brother in OSRS, they had emails from the Republican Party as well, but didn't release them because they said there was nothing interesting in them. I don't disagree at all that Clinton's strategy was inappropriate, but there's plenty of legitimate reasons to dislike WikiLeaks. Ironically, there's a lack of transparency on them. They should've released the GOP emails.

WikiLeaks has a problem when we need a WikiLeaks for WikiLeaks.

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[–] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sadly the republicans had zero say in their slide to right wing extremism and could do nothing about it. It's not like their flirtation with the Tea Party movement meant anything.

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[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

It's not just Trump either they've used the strategy for many insane Republican primary candidates.

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[–] blue_zephyr@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hilarious mistake.

I suppose this would have been effective if even a fraction of the Republican voterbase was reasonable.

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[–] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Shut the fuck up you old hag, you and your party got him elected by running ads supporting him and fucking Bernie in the primaries. Why can't she just fucking die already

[–] joystick@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I don't want to see or hear about Hilary Clinton anymore. She pushed her way in and fucking lost to Trump.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 33 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The fact that she lost the 2008 primary to Obama (basically unknown at that stage) should've been a clue that she's deeply unpopular and unelectable.

Part of it is because of decades of right wing smears, but part of it is also because she can sound very out of touch at times.

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yep, it fucking sucks that the GOP propaganda machine spent decades convincing people she was Satan in the flesh, but they did, and it was completely bullheaded to think that could be undone. Especially during an election that was clearly taking a populist tone when she had at that point become the face of the establishment for so many. Goddamn it I still can’t believe we’re in this shit timeline

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[–] Centillionaire@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Remember when they rigged the primaries and were like “yeah, we can do whatever we want. This isn’t the REAL election yet!” And then they never got court time? Do we really have a choice on who to vote for?

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[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 40 points 10 months ago (9 children)

I love how most of the comments here are about how much everyone hates Hillary rather than about what she actually said. I get it that people hate her, but let's be real folks; Trump is the only relevant clear and present danger here. Bitching about Hillary seems pretty pointless at this point.

[–] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I hear you. What she said is correct. The thing is, this person is so unlikeable that there's no way she can help. No matter how sharp you are, or how good of an elected official you'll be (and I do think she would have been extremely good at her job if she was elected (I did vote for her)), you must have charisma to be effective in politics.

I honestly believe in my heart that if she paid millions for widespread TV ads with her saying "do not vote for Donald Trump" it would help him.

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[–] joker125@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago (9 children)

All the negative anti-Hillary comments in this thread aside, please vote responsibly in 2024.

We cannot afford another 2016 situation again.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (33 children)

Maybe a politicker who brags about being mentored by Henry Kissinger, a war-criminal whose record matches that of Heinrich Himmler himself, shouldn't be referencing Hitler.

[–] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee 43 points 10 months ago (4 children)

"matches that of Heinrich Himmler", you mean the head of the SS and one of the main people behind the holocaust?

Have you ever considered that your life, and life in general would be better if you didn't have such absurd and shrill opinions?

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (4 children)

There is one way in which Himmler and Kissinger differs... Himmler at least had the backbone to go and witness the results of his policies in person - specifically, the Babi Yar massacre in Ukraine. Kissinger never did go see for himself the gargantuan atrocities he had "achieved" in Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Timor, and Chile.

Oh, I forgot the other way Kissinger and Himmler differs... Himmler was hanged - Kissinger got off scott-free. So there's that.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

“You know, I hated losing, and I especially hated losing to him because I had seen so many warning signals during the campaign,” Clinton said.

Oh you did? Then maybe you should have fucking campaigned like you were running against a fascist instead of strolling casually to your inevitable coronation.

[–] TylerDurdenJunior@lemmy.ml 19 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Then maybe they shouldn't run with a genocide supporting senior citizen as a candidate

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[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I feel like it would be more useful if she switched sides. Like, instead of reminding us how the dnc keeps fucking us, she could remind the maga kids how close she is with Trump. Maybe they’d like him less by association.

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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Why are things Hilly say relevant?

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[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 14 points 10 months ago (5 children)

With due respect, it is time for Hillary Clinton to be taken less seriously. Look at who she let win the presidency? A dynamic candidate that could connect with more voters could have flattened Trump. She came across as arrogant and entitled. She is a shrewd and intelligent person, but clearly disconnected from most normal concerns.

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[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I predicted in the 2016 primaries that if HRC became the Dem nominee, it would be the one thing the Right Wing in America could unify itself against- they hated her then and they still do today; I wonder if she realizes yet how big a gift it is to a splintered, ungovernable mob of political grifters to give it anything they can unify against

[–] PM_ME_FEET_PICS@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago

It was the most tragic thing when Bernie was pushed aside in favour of H.Clinton, who polled very poorly.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

For the love of all that is, that has been, and that will be, get out and vote. Hillary opened her fucking mouth and the last time she did this shit Trump won. Every Democrat should now be rushing to the polls. The cycle is trying to repeat.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 26 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Yes, she is.

Hitler was never elected lol. He in fact got crushed in the popular election by 20% by Hindenburg.

The Nazi party, however, won the largest number of seats of any party in the Reichstag in 1932, but leftist seats actually had a larger representation, just split between different parties.

This scared the oligarchal industry types enough that they pressured President Hindenburg into appointing Hitler as Chancellor over a less... Contentious candidate. Then a bunch of Nazi shit happened, the "centrists" did what they always do and supported the seizure of power by fascists, and two years later Chancellor Hitler became Chancellor and President Hitler, all without winning a population election.

What she should have said is that Hitler was duly appointed. By a massive fucking loser and coward who probably jerked off thinking about how he helped Germany start and lose two World Wars.

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