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You're trying to use Gnome the way you're used to using a desktop.
If you try and learn the Gnome way, you'll have a better time.
To be honest I had the same problem when I first went from Windows to OSX, I was struggling, trying to make OSX familiar, but when I decided to learn the Apple way, everything became easier.
I don't use a dock at all. My workflow is super+app-name and alt+tab.
But this is the same for me on Plasma or any other DE. I just don't need or use a dock.
What I'm saying is that my Plasma also doesn't have a dock at all.
I have extensions that do small QOL things. I can still use GNOME just fine without a single one of them enabled.
The idea of not being able to tell how many apps are running at a glance is terrifying to me.
Have you considered Pop OS from System76? Pop OS has a GNOME-like DE where the dock is fully displayed. It's very much like the macOS DE. The current stable release uses a GNOME-like DE, and the developers at System76 are working to make it into their own DE called Cosmic.
Thanks, yeah I've heard good things about Cosmic. I'll give it a try when it's available on Fedora.
I use it with a system tray but no dock. The overview when you press meta is enough for me.
I do, I don't even have Tweaks installed.
I used to be an avid customiser of software, but one day I realised that I spent a lot of time tweaking things and didn't get a great workflow anyway.
The thing about GNOME is it has a great in-built workflow and I work more efficiently now I just let it make the decisions for me.
I also kind of think that if you're the type to install a lot of extensions you'd probably be happier with KDE anyway.
I tried really hard for about a year to use gnome without extensions.
I'd say at best in the end it wasn't annoying me too much.
Recently tried dash to panel again and yeah. I'm not going back.
I do not understand how people manage multiple programs open without a tray. Do they just memorize in what workspace everything is at all times ?
That's me!
Keyboard centricity is a bonus to me. I don't like having visible UI elements that don't do anything for me (docks, task bars). I also dislike the trend of programs not closing when I close them (system trays).
In addition to these things, I value a degree of minimalism, and I'm a heavy user of virtual desktops.
I don't need to cope with any of these potential downsides, as they're not downsides to me in the first place. All of this said, the KDE community seems a lot more welcoming. I tend to suggest KDE Plasma for any people trying out Linux.
Hope this helps 👍
EDIT: I almost forgot to mention the most controversial one of them all. I love single click to open.
I don't use the dock or a system tray really.
Ctrl+F1 for 1, Ctrl+F5 for 5, etc. so switching is quick and easy with no mouse needed.Win followed by the first 2 or 3 letters of the name and Enter.I use the following extensions:
I might try this workspace malarkey. Sounds like a nice flow
I use Debian + Gnome without custom extensions and like it.
I don't use too many programs, so in the overview I have Firefox in position 1, signal in position 2 and steam in 3. Then I use Win+1,2,3 to launch them.
For other programs, I hit Win and then start typing the name and hit enter.
For switching between windows, i use alt-tab or alt-(key above tab). If I have many windows or playing game in full screen, I hit Win-key once and choose the window i want.
I don't use workspaces, never found a good flow. And I rarely miss a taskbar.
The only extention I use is system tray, cause I rely on apps that use it. But everything else is Gnome-way and I love it
Not having a dock is one of my favorite things about gnome. I actually use an extension to hide the top bar too. There's just something so satisfying about having 100% usable space on screen. I get all the info back in the win-key overlay, so I don't really need that stuff on screen at all times.
win-key overlay
explain please
When you hit the windows key (aka meta-key or super-key) it brings up the app launcher. You get a dock at the bottom with pinned or running apps (like a taskbar), and all of your open windows are presented in a sort of mini-version that lets you switch between them or move them between workspaces. There is a search bar that you can immediately type into to open any app with a .desktop file. There is also a button to bring up the app grid which shows your apps kind of like a mobile device's home screen.
That's what you meant with overlay!
I was confused because an Overlay is something like a Tooltip.
I personally would call this an Overview
Anyways, thanks for your answer! :)
The system tray is the one thing i need to see that/if email/steam/chat is running and if there's new messages. Otherwise gnome works great for me
Dash to dock. I just have to. I put it on the left Ubuntu style and I'm happy
I use mostly pure GNOME on my PC. The missing system tray is very annoying, though I really don't care about the missing dock or desktop icons. I start programs by searching for them, not by clicking on a desktop icon or in a dock. That's my preferred method. And the alt+tab menu of GNOME is nice enough to find anything when I need it, together with having workspaces to organize everything.
I tried KDE, but it just felt more messy to me. For instance, I tried to move the bottom bar to the side of my screen, accidentally moved something on the bar itself, and then everything looked off and I couldn't figure out how to get it back. It all felt a bit janky and unrefined. On some systems I also use i3, but that's only for productivity. For daily use I prefer GNOME, where everything just seems to work.
To answer your question about lack of dock and system tray, I use the top left hot corner to snap windows in Activities often, and I launch mostly from the built in Applications menu. Don’t use the dock much. As for system tray, it’s a fairly minimal work computer so I boot it every day, run slack, browser, etc. and I know there’s nothing really on the background. Don’t need an icon for slack, it’s always on my screen. In my GNOME-based work environment it’s either running and I can see it or it’s closed.
I do. Gnome is a special case because it doesn't give you a lot of options. It's take it or leave it, and it doesn't follow the traditional mouse-centric desktop workflow.
But in my opinion it's absolutely perfect for a laptop where you use the keyboard and touchpad. With a few key combos and swipe gestures you can fly through the UI and it only ever shows you what's relevant at the moment.
I do. I miss the system tray, to be honest. My way to deal with it is to just push applications I need running all the time to the last workspace and leave this alone. Sometimes I close them unintendedly, oh well...
I use blur my shell, but I don't really need it.
I started liking Gnome a lot more once I let go of trying to recreate the Win95 UX that pretty much everyone else uses.
It was such a pain at first, but then it just clicked and now I couldn't go back to that clunky workflow.
I know most people like it that way, but IMO Microsoft didn't create the perfect UX paradigm back in the early 90s
What do you mean a lack of dock? Gnome indeed has a dock by default where has you need an extension on kde to have a dock.
I don't think I installed any extensions to get a dock on kde, unless debian came with the extension preinstalled
Are you talking about a panel or a dock?
The dock is hidden by default, only visible in the overview mode.
Pretty.much pure gnome. The only thing I use is the auto night mode extension to make it go dark at sunset.
I don’t really see any benefit to using pure gnome. Extensions aren’t a negative if they improve your workflow.
I use both GNOME and KDE. I do have a system tray, but it's for a single program: fcitx-mozc. If I didn't need to build ibus-mozc from source, I would just use that. iBus IMEs get their own spot in the top right without needing appindicators. That being said, I don't need the system tray either as I can just switch between Japanese and English with CTRL+SPACE. But it's nice to have some kind of constant indication what IME I'm using.
On the subject of a dock, though, I love the way GNOME completely separates it from the workspace. It just takes up space and I don't have any utility for it. Windows and macOS only allow you to hide the dock; not remove it completely. I've accidentally opened the dock by moving my cursor to the corner of the screen way too many times and it is sooo annoying. This never happens on GNOME because it's just not possible.
Also I tend to think it’s been designed for people who are more comfortable using a keyboard. I’m mostly a mouse person.
That's absolutely true, but you can navigate GNOME completely with a mouse. If you're on a laptop, you can use the trackpad to flick between workspaces with three fingers. Every aspect of the GNOME desktop is navigable with the mouse, including the Activity Overview. GNOME's workflow changed the way I use computers.
One thing I miss from KDE is GNOME's tiling. KDE's is far more inconsistent. But there are a lot of things I like more about KDE too. I use it in basically the same way as GNOME.
I’m using pure GNOME with the exception of a single extension which tiles windows on my screen on a grid(gTile) because I have a massive screen and five windows. I also have an icon pack if you’re counting that. Rest of it is stock and I quite like it. It gets out of my way when I’m trying to work and the alt+tab and other features are always fast. Top left hot corner is a godsend.
Pure psychopaths and masochists.
I only use an extension for tray icons. I use it kind of like how I would use a tiling window manager with a keyboard based workflow and non tiling windows. I just hit the super key and type app names to launch stuff and drag windows around with the super key. Instead of alt-tabbing I hit the super key to see the overview and click on the window I want.
In the newest gnome versions, there's a menu that shows you what apps are in the background, so if you know what apps are already open. I'm not a huge fan of that but I wouldn't really care if my tray icons didn't work because its close enough.
i onky use minor stuff, like a tray and rounded corners on legacy applications.
The only extension I really need is hot edge, I never liked the hot corner and I will never like it, especially since I have a super ultra wide.
The only extensions I use are for things that will likely get added as native in the future: Light Style for the light shell theme and Caffeine (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/merge_requests/2507)
I don't but i note increasing difficulty in upgrading/keeping prior extensions to the new version of gnome.
For example, "recent files" extensions for the top bar used to number in the threes I think. With the last gnome version there was only one which wasn't the most useful of the lot. I use it because it makes it easier beginning again the following day, rather than the extra step of opening the file mangler. I'll probably go with the majority and drop it once I upgrade to Fedora 39.
Looks like gnome is becoming more useful to people in basic guise, incorporating many of the extension functions within the main GUI, and so the once popular extensions are becoming unmaintained.
I used GNOME with no extensions for about 5 years. Recently I started using a window tiling extension but that's only for for convenience, I wouldn't say it's fixing anything that is broken.
I used to use gnome with just a system tray extension until very recently, though I've now switched to plasma... And copied my gnome workflow there