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[–] penquin@lemm.ee 273 points 1 year ago (20 children)

That's our fucking tax money, that's what's killing me. We are indirectly funding the killing of all of these innocent people. I hate life.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 101 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It's not indirect. Every dollar the US sends to Israel directly goes to killing Palestinians.

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[–] Rusticus@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (12 children)

We could have healthcare. Or free college. We are all complicit in this, like it or not.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Tbf we’ve done it directly, too.

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[–] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 175 points 1 year ago (11 children)

And people wonder why they're calling what Israel is doing a genocide...

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[–] FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 165 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Genocide.

There is no excuse for this. Don't you dare try and find one.

[–] TinyPizza@kbin.social 40 points 1 year ago

Narrator: They did.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They did try. It was that there might be terrorist infrastructure there. They know there's civilians there, but there might be infrastructure. They're still looking into it, but they dropped that bomb, anyway.

I'm only barely paraphrasing.

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 150 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Seems like the sort of thing that, in addition to being morally abhorrent, would drive more Palestinians to become terrorists.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 54 points 1 year ago (10 children)

It truly is the worst long term "solution". You're not gonna make friends by bombing them, I thought that much would have been obvious.

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think they want friends.

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[–] SlopppyEngineer@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 1 year ago (18 children)

That's the Israeli way, choosing a hard stance that makes things worse long term. That helped provoke the Hamas attack in the first place.

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[–] UnspecificGravity@discuss.tchncs.de 129 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (22 children)

I mean yeah, that's where the Palestinians are, who did they think was the target of a military attack on a city?

It's getting hard for people to pretend that this isn't a genocide when the people doing it aren't even bothering to pretend it isn't.

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[–] DeathWearsANecktie@lemm.ee 126 points 1 year ago (26 children)

I think Israel is losing the information war on this recent crisis. They're trying to defend the indefensible. There's no way to spin "we dropped a bomb on a refugee camp" into something acceptable. And people are seeing the bullshit for what it is.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

They really screwed the pooch on this one from a messaging stance. Stepping back from the emotions and the war crimes and just looking at their propaganda, it's just being handled sloppily. Propaganda has always been Israel's superpower, and they're doing a terrible job of it.

You don't defend the bombing of a refugee camp by saying "There may have been tunnels or infrastructure."

At this point you just lie and say you know there were military objectives. Or pull a play from the US and count the bodies and claim that any body of a "military-age male" was a combatant.

Admitting on international television that you knowingly and intentionally bombed a bunch of civilians you absolutely knew you were killing just in case there might be bad guys among them is a bad look.

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[–] dlpkl@lemmy.world 122 points 1 year ago (9 children)

It's textbook genocide. They've seen they can get away with anything under the guise of war, so why not just solve all their issues and make sure no one's alive to return to their homes?

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[–] TinyPizza@kbin.social 118 points 1 year ago (14 children)

From the article:

“But you know that there are a lot of refugees, a lot of innocent civilians—men, women, and children—in that refugee camp as well, right?” Blitzer asked again.
“This is the tragedy of war, Wolf. We as you know, we’ve been saying for days, move south. Civilians who are not involved with Hamas, please move south.”

Holy shit, Wolf is getting trolled on just as hard as us, but on live TV... I hate the future.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 54 points 1 year ago

And then they throw a bomb in the south.

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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 91 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

"There could be infrastructure there, there could be tunnels there. We’re still looking into it.”

So... you bombed this refugee area, didn't give a fuck... you got the target you wanted along with a bunch of civilians. Now, after the fact, you are searching for more justifications than you had before the attack was sanctioned.

What the fuck. They may as well just say "tell us what you need to hear for this to be okay, and we'll say it".

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[–] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 80 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Blitzer pressed Hecht on the logic involved in Israel’s decision to target the refugee camp.

“This is the tragedy of war, Wolf. We as you know, we’ve been saying for days, move south. Civilians who are not involved with Hamas, please move south.”

They have been bombing the southern humanitarian corridor too. So I am not sure what he is saying.

Also, the thing about battlefields is that eventually the north becomes the south. At least if you are winning.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They're saying that they consider all Palestinians to be terrorists. It's that simple.

Go south if you're not a terrorist, bombed because there may be terrorists in the mix.

Don't go south, but stay in a refuge camp. Bombed, because there may be terrorists in the mix.

They're all terrorists or terrorist sympathizers as far as IDF is concerned.

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[–] daitya@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

BBC Verify has analysed the Israeli strike locations and found that they are indeed striking 'safety zones' where IDF instructed Gazaans to take shelter. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67264703

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[–] erranto@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago (3 children)

70 year of atrocities committed in Palestine with the support of western powers and the indifference of western media

2023 : IDF commits yet another round of genocidal atrocities in Palestine

western media: Surprised Pikatchu face 🤯

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[–] Antitoxic9087@slrpnk.net 78 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Now they will start saying that beneath every hospital and refugee camp in Gaza lies a Hamas headquarter.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Looking forward to the 3D rendering "evidence".

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago (32 children)

We’re doing everything we can, you know, other than not dropping bombs directly on refugees

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[–] oxjox@lemmy.ml 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Who comes up with these headlines?? Certainly not someone who based it off the video used to support their claim.

This bullshit dilutes real news stories. Headline should read; "IDF bombs refugee camp in attempt to kill Hamas terrorist, knowing it was full of civilians." That's the story and it's fucked alone as it is. Why sensationalize this and make up shit that is objectively untrue??

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[–] loki_d20@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Just to note, they've bombed people in cars fleeing Gaza as directed by them as well. There really is no safe way to be in or attempt to leave.

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[–] frequenttimetraveler@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's just sad, absolutely sad that Israel is using these excuses to use weapons of war against thousands of impoverished, innocent civilians, the large majority having nothing to do with the tragedy that occurred in early October.

The U.S. needs to take away the toys it gave to Israel.

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (14 children)
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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

"There could be infrastructure there, there could be tunnels there."

Translation:

We killed them all just in case one of them was an asshole. What if we're actually totally justified in bombing a refugee camp? We certainly don't know for sure that we weren't. Now that all of those innocent children are dead we're checking under their corpses to see if there's anything we can use to make ourselves seem like the good guy here.

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[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't worry, in about 23 more strikes they'll then send in ground forces to sort the survivors. /sarcasm

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 34 points 1 year ago (14 children)

This is how we know they didn't hit that hospital car park the other week.

They're not ashamed of what they do. They just say they were "targeting a Hamas commander" and walk away.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

Well israel actually did tweet that they bombed that hospital and "targeted Hamas" but promptly deleted the tweet. Nobody seems to question that anymore.

israel's propaganda machine has gone in overdrive since the last week, every comment section on the internet is getting flooded with Zionist bots even smaller ones.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago
[–] S_204@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (22 children)

I'm an ardent supporter of Israel and their right to defend themselves in these extreme times. This isn't that.

This is not okay. Targeting the tunnels is understandable. Targeting their leadership is understandable. Targeting a refugee camp is not acceptable, it's the sort of thing Hamas would do and I can't believe they've gone that far.

[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 1 year ago

If this is the part that shocks you, you haven't been paying attention.

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