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[–] S_204@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I'm an ardent supporter of Israel and their right to defend themselves in these extreme times. This isn't that.

This is not okay. Targeting the tunnels is understandable. Targeting their leadership is understandable. Targeting a refugee camp is not acceptable, it's the sort of thing Hamas would do and I can't believe they've gone that far.

[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 1 year ago

If this is the part that shocks you, you haven't been paying attention.

[–] mycatiskai@lemmy.one 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you want to target the Hamas leaders then send in special forces to take them out in Qatar and other countries they hide out in. Send in precision teams to take the tunnels out without destroying towns above.

Don't kill 30,000 civilians for a handful of actual fighters.

[–] alienzx@feddit.nl 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But then how will they solve the Palestinian problem?

[–] mycatiskai@lemmy.one 14 points 1 year ago

I'm sure Israel knows the Final Solution to the Palestinian problem.

A few weeks ago I didn't think I would have made so many genocide references.

[–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I concur. Frankly, they're both a bunch of terrorists.

Tragically, one side had been receiving all kinds of war support for generations now and it's incredibly imbalanced.

I just don't understand how genocide can be a goal...

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Tragically, one side had been receiving all kinds of war support for generations now and it's incredibly imbalanced.

This is why people are saying Israel and the US created this crisis, because we've spent generations militarizing an apartheid state that subjugates and abuses Palestinians. Israel wanted to strengthen Hamas as a way to undermine the strength of a Palestinian state in Gaza:

those who want to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state should support the strengthening of Hamas and the transfer of money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy - to differentiate between the Palestinians in Gaza and the Palestinians in Judea and Samaria.

Israel and the Western Allies have intentionally fed the flames of this conflict in order to consolidate power in the middle east.

I completely agree.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

See that’s what I don’t get Israel created Hamas but nobody seems to acknowledge that. Decades of mistreatment bombings of course they’re going to eventually fight back.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

This is only confusing if you (like most) assume western media is truly independent and impartial.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"never again" really meant "not us"

[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Taking an anti-genocide slogan used by Jews across the world and deriding it as hypocritical because one specific country of Jews is full of right wing shit bags... That's uh... that's something, anyway.

[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

What's the problem? It's not like they're "people." /s

[–] Throbbing_Banjo@midwest.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m an ardent supporter of Israel and their right to defend themselves in these extreme times. This isn’t that.>

Honest question: after this, will you still continue to be? Because they're not done.

[–] S_204@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I'm a supporter of Israel, not its government.

Sadly, they're not going to stop until Hamas does or they're destroyed. Just today I was watching an interview where Hamas' second in command was saying they're going to continue to do 10/7 type attacks until Israel doesn't exist anymore. If you expect Israel's current government to sit back and let that happen, you're seriously mistaken. No country on earth would allow a neighbor to fire rockets randomly at civilians and call for their people to continue to murder Jews.

Hamas has made clear they are an existential threat to Israel and sadly, the Israeli government is taking the approach of meeting Hamas on their terms of engagement. It's getting harder to blame them but I do hope they would be better than the savages who are calling for the death of an entire ethnic group.

[–] stella@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Correct, this is not defense.

It is revenge.

[–] S_204@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Sounds like they got 50 Hamas operatives among the 150.

Hamas needs to stop hiding amongst the civilians. If they're even civilians, I'm seeing far more cheering than protesting in the videos coming out of the strip.

[–] Dontcare@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 1 year ago

Don't you realize this is where they put the tunnels ? And this 'refugee camp' is a city

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago

Is it the kind of thing Hamas would do I do know it’s the kind of thing Israel does and this isn’t the first. It’s easy to say oh we killed civilians but we share targeting tunnels or something.