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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 206 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (85 children)

They didn't call the UN chief an anti-Semite. I guess that's progress right?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B3nio_Guterres

What a terrible human being, looking at his life filled with works trying to improve people. He should be ashamed, trying to look at the cause instead of the effect of global situations.

But in all seriousness, the chilling effect is real, because he's the UN secretary general they're holding back a little bit, but they're demonstrating for everybody you better not say anything we don't agree with. And that has a real impact on political speech globally.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

What is more worrying is that there is a witch hunt and if you support the regular Palestinian human rights you are kind of automatically condemned as anti-Semitic and supporter of terrorists.

And I fully agree with Antonio and I am really happy that he is one of the very few people who openly stands against Israel's policies of constant suppression of Palestine.

I don't know what the plan of Israel is for the Palestinians, and what they are exactly hoping to achieve apart from making those people hate them even more and actually involuntarily boosting Hamas popularity in the region and radicalizing even more people there.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 188 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How DARE the UN Secretary General express the blindingly obvious truth?! The nerve! 🤦

[–] JackSkellington@lemmy.world 125 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This clearly shows the power of Israel regarding having a public opinion that goes against their book… no one dare speak ill of Israel government narrative

[–] willis936@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The UN Chief resigning as a result would be a show of power. Calling for it and not getting is a show of weakness.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Israel doesn't give a shit. They have most of the west oligarchy fellating them, "donating" billions of dollars in "aid" and weapons, and approving of their entire history of human rights abuses and genocide of Palestine.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I read that they put the names, pictures, and personal info of the Harvard students that spoke out on ad trucks and drove them around the Harvard campus.

The lengths to which they're going to suppress dissent are getting pretty scary. I would not be at all surprised if threats have been made through back channels.

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[–] Xariphon@kbin.social 112 points 1 year ago

That awkward moment when the genocidal occupying force can't handle literal facts.

[–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 108 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Looks like stating simple facts it not acceptable any more ...

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 29 points 1 year ago

inconvenient truths.

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[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 102 points 1 year ago (11 children)
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[–] blue_zephyr@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

Yeah well Israel was offended by the UN sending out an untargeted reminder that the Geneva conventions exist.

Let them seethe and cope.

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So I guess we make policy choices via temper tantrum nowadays.

[–] sugartits@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the ~~American~~ Iresali way

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[–] migo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 1 year ago

Proud of Guterres' courage. We share a country and an alma mater and that also makes me proud.

[–] Fraylor@lemm.ee 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

SLAMMED fuck journalism today.

[–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It triggers me every single time I read it. When did journalists forget how to write like adults? Who as we all know, would use criticize instead of slam.

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[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

“Earth exists within a vacuum, therefore UN chief is wrong.”

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, in a vacuum or not, it still sucked.

[–] worldsayshi@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Hamas terrorist attacks sucked. Bombing whole city blocks in retaliation sucks. Indeed.

Personally I'm astonished how many seems to find it easy picking a side. The more I learn the less I feel sure about anything except that the whole situation sucks.

Picking a side sucks. Not picking a side sucks. I'm glad I don't have political influence for this one.

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[–] avater@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

More than 5,700 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli airstrikes since the war began, according to the Hamas-run Ministry of Health in Gaza, the New York Times reported.

I would take this number always with a grain of salt. Keep in mind that this ministry is run by the Hamas and that it immediately made Israel responsible for the shelling of the Hospital parking lot and put up a very high number of casualties for that said parking lot.

Otherweise Israel’s ambassador is acting quite childish in my oppinion and it surely does not help Israel at all to behave in such a way at the U.N. I also have no answer on how to deal with those terrorists of the Hamas, but casually accepting civilian casualites without much precision is definitely not the right thing to do...

And of course nothing that is happening there in the middle east is happening in a vacuum. Neither Israel or the people of Palestine lived in peace in the last decades.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Even if you halve that number, it still more than 2,500 people so far.

It’s appropriate to call Hamas terrorists and monsters.

It’s also appropriate to call the Israeli response extremely excessive- and appropriate to point out that the powers that are created this mess specifically to gain/keep power in Israel.

Both things can be true.

It’s also worth pointing out, that if you figure for every civilian killed, they’re making another Hamas soldier? Or whatever it is that comes after Hamas?

EDIT: NPR hourly newsupdate quoted seven thousand now. Granted that's probably from the Ministry of Health and suspect... (it was a 30 second blurb while I was driving home.)

It's probably officially more than died in the last gaza invasion, and it's only going to get worse.

[–] avater@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

It’s also appropriate to call the Israeli response extremely excessive- and appropriate to point out that the powers that are created this mess specifically to gain/keep power in Israel. Both things can be true.

I absolute agree!

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[–] Five@slrpnk.net 33 points 1 year ago (22 children)

People keep bringing up the parking lot incident as if admitting that there isn't definitive proof it wasn't Israel is the same thing as proof that is was Hamas, and errors in reporting mean nothing reported is credible. Building your propaganda model on split hairs is back-firing badly for you. Humanistic Judaism can not be constrained by the straight-jacket of colonial Zionism.

The Undisputed Facts in Gaza Are Enough by Eric Levitz

The case for a ceasefire in Gaza does not rest on Israel’s culpability for any single air strike. The undisputed facts are more than enough to indicate that Israel’s campaign against Hamas has featured a callous disregard for civilian suffering. We don’t need to rely on Hamas to know that Israel has cut off food, fuel, electricity, and water to much of Gaza’s population. Israel’s own government has told us that. Similarly, data from the Gaza Health Ministry is not our only indication that there have been massive civilian casualties in Gaza. The U.N. tells us that Gaza is running out of body bags, while photos published by the IDF portray the large-scale decimation of civilian infrastructure.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Indeed.

And even beyond respecting human rights and international law, I would also like to add the following.

Israel and Biden are showing a total lack of consideration for the hostages or for foreign nationals stuck in Gaza.

In fact, they are giving priority to opportunistic and illegal land grabs in the West Bank above all else.

The West should put way more pressure on Israel to stop the war crimes they are committing right now, and to put more effort in securing the release and safety of our own citizens.

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[–] AMillionNames@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

Hamas attack did not happen in a vacuum, just like Israel acting like this to what the UN chief said did not happen in a vacuum. Israel has been hating on the UN calling out their apartheid for decades now, and it is Israel itself who is principally responsible for removing any meaning from the term antisemitism itself. It is going to find itself very, very alone in the coming decades.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck Israel. I am out of words, how worse can this get?

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

‘did not happen in a vacuum,’ calls for his resignation

Here's the "vacuum" he was talking about.

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