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Turkey's Erdogan calls on Israel to stop attacks on Gaza 'amounting to genocide' (www.reuters.com)

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ANKARA, Oct 20 (Reuters) - Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan on Friday called on Israel to stop its attacks on Gaza, which he said amounted to genocide, and urged the international community to work for a humanitarian ceasefire in the region.

In a post on social messaging platform X, Erdogan also said Israel was provoking non-regional actors instead of turning back from its mistakes in Gaza, adding that the region needed saving from the “frenzy of madness” supported by Western powers and media.

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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The irony...

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll never understand why they insist on conflating the Ottoman Empire with Turkey.

Well, I understand, Erdogan would love to be the Caliph, but it's still ridiculous to feel like you have to defend the actions of an imperial state that was dissolved.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's unfortunately more than just that

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 5 points 1 year ago

I think people are noting the similarities to the Armenian Genocide with the situation in Gaza. Namely, the forced displacement of millions of people for religious differences, which Turkey denies as a genocide because the Ottomans didn't set up death camps.

[–] IronpigsWizard@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Meanwhile he continues airstrikes against the Kurds in Northern Syria/Rojava, using the Gaza crisis as a distraction.

[–] alienanimals@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Remember when Erdogan came to the US and started having his men beat US protestors?

[–] deadcat@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would Israel stop while there are still hostages?

[–] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

If blood libel was true, would it have justified the Holocaust?

[–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

He was also heard mumbling, Turks know it when they see it

[+] dumdum666@kbin.social -18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Sooo… are there still rockets being fired from Terrorists? Are the hostages still being kept by the terrorists?

Why should Israel stop attacking the terrorists?

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because thousands of innocent civilians are being killed too?

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because their aim is shit. If my aim was as bad as theirs, I wouldn't have kids.

[–] Why9@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sooo… are there still rockets being fired from Terrorists?

Yes! And they should stop before more innocent civilian lives are destroyed; not that they care about civilians at all!

Are the hostages still being kept by the terrorists?

I think they just kill them rather than take hostages, right? They consider them to be like animals!

Why should Israel stop attacking the terrorists?

Ohh, you meant Hamas?

[–] dumdum666@kbin.social -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You don’t seem to understand the concept of war. If Hamas deliberately places launch sites close to civilian infrastructure, which is a war crime in itself by the way, this infrastructure becomes a legitimate target. Civilian casualties have to be avoided but not at all costs. Especially if Hamas Terrorists wear civilian clothing.

This is International Humanitarian Law - the Law of War.

I think they just kill them rather than take hostages, right? They consider them to be like animals!

ISIS style killings is not beneath Hamas and Islamic Jihad. And yes - those Terrorists act like animals deliberately.

[–] Why9@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on Earth. All they have is civilian infrastructure! By your definition, they shouldn't be allowed to retaliate at all if they didn't want to risk civilian deaths.

Israel is bombing hospitals, schools and civilian houses with dozens and dozens of reports of children and innocent civilians being horrifically murdered as a result.

And let's be adults and stop gassing for a minute: Israel wants Gaza to shrink, and said as much, as if illegally stealing all that land to begin with wasn't enough.

That's what this is all about. Terrorist settlers in the West Bank are clearing out villages by walking about to people and shooting them at point-blank range, with soldiers only a few feet away, just watching and not reacting. They're not even 'at war' and those terrorists are clearing Palestinian Territory.

This is simply and truly a Nazi-esque genocide, conducted by people whose grandparents likely witnessed those horrors first hand. They should know better.

[+] dumdum666@kbin.social -8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on Earth. All they have is civilian infrastructure! By your definition, they shouldn’t be allowed to retaliate at all if they didn’t want to risk civilian deaths.

You don’t seem to understand. It is war. If a building became a military target because Hamas Terrorists were in it or near it - that building became a legitimate military target according to International Humanitarian Law. Israel is then legally allowed to destroy that target, even though this might cause civilian deaths. I personally don’t like this, but this is the reality of war. A war that Hamas has brought to the Palestinian people.

And let’s be adults and stop gassing for a minute: Israel wants Gaza to shrink, and said as much, as if illegally stealing all that land to begin with wasn’t enough.

The stance of Israel is: If you attack us, you have to pay for that by losing land. And several Terrorist Groups have attacked Israel quite a lot to be frank. Of course the territory gets smaller and smaller every time.

That’s what this is all about. Terrorist settlers in the West Bank are clearing out villages by walking about to people and shooting them at point-blank range, with soldiers only a few feet away, just watching and not reacting. They’re not even ‘at war’ and those terrorists are clearing Palestinian Territory.

If this happens, those people are criminals and should be put in jail.

This is simply and truly a Nazi-esque genocide, conducted by people whose grandparents likely witnessed those horrors first hand. They should know better.

This is Bullshit - and you know it. If Israel wanted genocide, they could have done it several times already. There are ten times as many Palestinians now, compared to creation of the state Israel in 1948. You do realize how incredibly bad the Israelis seem to be with this whole genocide thing?

On the other hand: Remind me again what the Hamas founding charter says about Israel?

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are being sarcastic here... right ?

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's called diplomacy, start practicing now because there won't be any more opportunities when the whole middle east have each other under siege like Israel is doing to Palestineans now.

[–] dumdum666@kbin.social -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interesting take

So the murdering of those civilians on October 7 was a call for negotiations by Hamas?

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

No, dummy. The taking of hostages was though.

[–] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll remember these kind of comments next time I hear that "never again" nonsense.

[–] dumdum666@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You definitely should remember this, since this is the reality of war that Hamas has forced on the Palestinian people. And Hamas tries everything in their power to exacerbate the civilian casualties by deliberately placing their launch sites close to civilian infrastructure and civilians as a whole and also dressing like civilians.

So tell me, how should Israel protect its own citizens against the Hamas/Islamic Jihad war criminals that STILL fire rockets against civilians?

[–] dlatch@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Let me ask you two questions.

If Hamas is forcing this upon the Palestinian people, and is forcefully preventing civilians from moving away from them, that makes the Palestinian people effectively hostages of Hamas. So if the Palestinian hostages happen to be near Hamas terrorists, are they acceptable collateral damage if Israel bombs them?

Eventually, Israel will find out where the Israeli hostages are being kept. Obviously, there will be Hamas terrorists near them. Are the Israeli hostages acceptable collateral damage if Israel bombs them?

If you answered yes to one question, and no to the other, you should ask yourself why you put different value on the lives of innocent human beings. Is it what side of a fence they are born on? What nationality they happen to have? What religion they believe in? The color of their skin?

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let me guess, they should "protect its own citizens" by commiting genocide by bombing everything to the ground in the Gaza Strip?

[–] dumdum666@kbin.social -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Quit throwing around the word genocide, if you obviously do not know what it means. It sounds fancy and strong though, doesn’t it?

Let me guess, they should “protect its own citizens” by commiting genocide by bombing everything to the ground in the Gaza Strip?

You cannot answer a question with another question.

How should Israel protect its own citizens against the Hamas/Islamic Jihad war criminals that STILL fire rockets against civilians?

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know exactly what "genocide" means. It means a deliberate killing of a group of people with the intent of destroying their nation / group. It also means displacing people out of their lands to get rid of their national identity. I wonder if that has happened recently in Gaza.

I can ask an obviously biased person on the internet if they support genocide. Which you do - otherwise you wouldn't try to say it's not genocide, and then ask "what else are they supposed to do if not commit genocide? :("

[–] zenitsu@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Civilians die and are displaced in every war, that doesn't automatically make it genocide lmao. Are they levelling the west bank too?

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Another one excusing genocide as "just a war".

[–] zenitsu@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God forbid anyone ask you to be more precise with your definitions instead of shitting out whatever word gets you the most emotional points.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Genocide is a precise enough definition for what is happening in Palestine.

[–] zenitsu@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Clearly passes the bar for "precision" in your mind, though that bar seems low. Genocide is a bit of a pointless word to throw at Israel because you'd have to automatically apply it to the other side too, the side that has blatantly declared its intent for genocide but just doesn't have the power to back it up fully. So before accusing Israel of genocide without doing the same for Hamas, imagine what things would look like there if the power dynamic was reversed.