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ANKARA, Oct 20 (Reuters) - Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan on Friday called on Israel to stop its attacks on Gaza, which he said amounted to genocide, and urged the international community to work for a humanitarian ceasefire in the region.

In a post on social messaging platform X, Erdogan also said Israel was provoking non-regional actors instead of turning back from its mistakes in Gaza, adding that the region needed saving from the “frenzy of madness” supported by Western powers and media.

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[–] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll remember these kind of comments next time I hear that "never again" nonsense.

[–] dumdum666@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You definitely should remember this, since this is the reality of war that Hamas has forced on the Palestinian people. And Hamas tries everything in their power to exacerbate the civilian casualties by deliberately placing their launch sites close to civilian infrastructure and civilians as a whole and also dressing like civilians.

So tell me, how should Israel protect its own citizens against the Hamas/Islamic Jihad war criminals that STILL fire rockets against civilians?

[–] dlatch@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Let me ask you two questions.

If Hamas is forcing this upon the Palestinian people, and is forcefully preventing civilians from moving away from them, that makes the Palestinian people effectively hostages of Hamas. So if the Palestinian hostages happen to be near Hamas terrorists, are they acceptable collateral damage if Israel bombs them?

Eventually, Israel will find out where the Israeli hostages are being kept. Obviously, there will be Hamas terrorists near them. Are the Israeli hostages acceptable collateral damage if Israel bombs them?

If you answered yes to one question, and no to the other, you should ask yourself why you put different value on the lives of innocent human beings. Is it what side of a fence they are born on? What nationality they happen to have? What religion they believe in? The color of their skin?

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let me guess, they should "protect its own citizens" by commiting genocide by bombing everything to the ground in the Gaza Strip?

[–] dumdum666@kbin.social -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Quit throwing around the word genocide, if you obviously do not know what it means. It sounds fancy and strong though, doesn’t it?

Let me guess, they should “protect its own citizens” by commiting genocide by bombing everything to the ground in the Gaza Strip?

You cannot answer a question with another question.

How should Israel protect its own citizens against the Hamas/Islamic Jihad war criminals that STILL fire rockets against civilians?

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know exactly what "genocide" means. It means a deliberate killing of a group of people with the intent of destroying their nation / group. It also means displacing people out of their lands to get rid of their national identity. I wonder if that has happened recently in Gaza.

I can ask an obviously biased person on the internet if they support genocide. Which you do - otherwise you wouldn't try to say it's not genocide, and then ask "what else are they supposed to do if not commit genocide? :("

[–] zenitsu@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Civilians die and are displaced in every war, that doesn't automatically make it genocide lmao. Are they levelling the west bank too?

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Another one excusing genocide as "just a war".

[–] zenitsu@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God forbid anyone ask you to be more precise with your definitions instead of shitting out whatever word gets you the most emotional points.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Genocide is a precise enough definition for what is happening in Palestine.

[–] zenitsu@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Clearly passes the bar for "precision" in your mind, though that bar seems low. Genocide is a bit of a pointless word to throw at Israel because you'd have to automatically apply it to the other side too, the side that has blatantly declared its intent for genocide but just doesn't have the power to back it up fully. So before accusing Israel of genocide without doing the same for Hamas, imagine what things would look like there if the power dynamic was reversed.